Re: Denial and obfuscation switch scam junk

On 5/20/2025 8:33 PM, IDentity wrote:

On Tue, 20 May 2025 09:17:12 -0700, Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off>
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On Tue, 20 May 2025 07:55:38 -0700, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by John Harshman
<john.harshman@gmail.com>:
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On 5/19/25 6:48 PM, IDentity wrote:

On Fri, 16 May 2025 12:02:15 -0500, RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com>
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https://evolutionnews.org/

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"Nothing in biology has a purpose."

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"Nothing in biology makes sense."
         -- Theodosius Dobzhansky
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"...except in the light of evolution."
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 Nothing wrong with evolution except you need to replace "random
mutations and natural selection" with "intelligent design and
interaction".

No, just more obfuscation and denial.  What you need to replace the creationist's claims about evolution with is what it actually is. Random mutations and natural selection are just factual things that happen in nature, so they do not need replacing.  What needs to be done with the creationist lies about the topic is to put up all that we understand about biological evolution.  Things like genetic drift, genetic linkage and chromosomal recombination.  Founder effects have a lot to do with what gets selected or just fixed due to drift. Biological evolution is just a fact of nature.  We already understand many of the mechanisms involved with the diversification of life on earth.  All that the ID perps can hope for is that intelligent design might be added to what we already understand about biological evolution.   That is why ID died on TO when the ID perps put out their Top Six best evidences for the ID creationist scam in the order in which they must have logically occurred in this universe.  It turned out that most of the IDiots on TO (probably all) never wanted the ID perps to succeed in developing any real ID science because it would just be more science to deny.  There is only one nature to study, and nature is not Biblical. Most of them quit supporting the ID scam, and the remainder slipped into perpetual denial of reality like yourself.
Dembski admitted that natural selection could be the designer for some of the evolution we have observed, but natural selection isn't the god that Dembski wants to worship.  All ID perps like Behe want to do is demonstrate that natural selection isn't the designer for the evolution that we do not fully understand at this time, like for his flagellum. Behe flat out admitted that whale evolution could have happened by Darwinian mechanisms (natural mechanisms) but tried to continue his evolution denial by claiming that it was devolution and not evolution. Behe specifically stated that natural selection would have been expected to have selected for the broken genes if there was some selective advantage to breaking those genes.  The genes were obviously not functional, and their remnants could still be found in the whale genome just where their terrestrial relatives still have the fully functional genes.
If ID perps like Behe ever did find the 3 neutral mutations that had to occur in some flagellar gene over a billion years ago in order to evolve some type of flagellar function, you would likely go into denial and refuse to believe that it could have been done by the intelligent designer.  Just think of how many YEC (the majority of support for the modern ID creationist scam) would abandon the ID scam if Meyer was ever able to demonstrate designer design during the 25 million year period over a billion years ago that was the Cambrian explosion.
Have you ever dealt with the Top Six in an honest and straight forward manner?  The god that fills the Top Six IDiotic gaps is not the Biblical god.  Most of the TO IDiots quit the ID scam when they had the Top Six rubbed in their faces as they actually exist in nature.
Ron Okimoto