Re: The Bird Flue Scam: Have you learned nothing? Re: Viewpoint: RFK's reckless firing of CDC vaccine advisors not supported by evidence

On 6/11/2025 5:08 PM, William Hyde wrote:

RonO wrote:

On 6/10/2025 10:09 PM, JTEM wrote:

On 6/10/25 10:34 PM, Chris Thompson wrote:
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Over 600 bald eagles are known (by necropsy) to have died of avian flu.

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While egg prices were sky rocketing here "CUS BIRD FLU" they were under
$2 a dozen in Mexico, well under for some brands. In Canada, there was
a similar pattern where egg prices creeped up by a small margin but
nowhere similar to here in the United States. How is it this Bird Flu
knew where the borders were and why did it respect them?
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You're focused on the source of the "Bird Flu" panic for your oh so
accurate information on bird flu. But that "information" was debunked
long ago, and you just doubled down, seeking more of the same kind
of INEXPLICABLE claims from the same sources.
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"Ah, science!"
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Mexico did not have the dairy epidemic, so their commercial layer flocks were never infected by infected dairy workers working on the layer farms.  It is really that simple.

 As for Canada, what changes at the border is pretty much everything. We have a system of supply management for eggs which, like it or hate it, makes huge flocks impossible.  The average Canadian poultry farm has about 25000 chickens, as opposed to some US farms which are many times larger.
 Thus in Canada one infection can lead to the loss of 25k birds, in the US of one million.
 Colder weather means that flocks are housed differently and interact less with wild birds - as far as I know nobody has estimated whether this is an important factor or not, but seems likely to have had an impact.
 It is also claimed that we have a lower proportion of free range chickens here, but I haven't seen a decline in the availability of such eggs.
 As to the cross infection between dairy and egg operations, I can't be definitive.  But I think that it is difficult to get a license and a quota for both operations.
   William Hyde
 

In the US in 2024 and 2025 most of the commercial flocks have been infected by the Dairy influenza, that they likely got due to dairy workers also working on poultry farms.  They know that around 10% of the dairy workers working on infected farms have been infected, and we know that they shed live virus, so if any of them go to a poultry farm they can infect the chickens.  From the first commercial flocks that went down in Texas and Michigan early in the dairy epidemic they have known that dairy workers also work on the poultry farms that got infected, but nothing was ever done to keep that from happening, and poultry flocks across the nation got infected with the dairy virus.  As California is the last big example they lost over 40% of their commercial layer flocks to the dairy virus because they did not limit dairy worker movements and isolate the workers at infected farms.  Arizona just had their dairies infected in Feb. and they also did not limit dairy worker movements and more dairies have gone down, and 5 commercial layer farms have gone down in the same county with infected dairies.  The USDA and CDC have never done what needs to be done to keep that from happening.
You are correct that many of the farms that had to be depopulated had over 3 million birds.  It takes a long time to bring a farm back up to full production because they usually have at least three or four large flocks of different ages on a farm.  This is so most of the birds are always in peak production, and they can start young flocks and depopulate older flocks while most of the birds on the farm are still producing eggs.  So it takes more than a year to fully repopulate a farm and longer to get it into peak production.  So the industry is short on eggs for quite a while.
Ron Okimoto