Re: The Debate Has Been Settled - Creationism Has Won

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De : {$to$} (at) *nospam* meden.demon.co.uk (Ernest Major)
Groupes : talk.origins
Date : 06. Apr 2026, 17:27:33
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On 06/04/2026 16:13, John Harshman wrote:
On 4/6/26 2:35 AM, Martin Harran wrote:
On Sun, 5 Apr 2026 16:37:54 -0700, John Harshman
<john.harshman@gmail.com> wrote:
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On 4/5/26 6:38 AM, Martin Harran wrote:
On Sat, 4 Apr 2026 22:40:30 +0100, Ernest Major
<{$to$}@meden.demon.co.uk> wrote:
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On 04/04/2026 20:47, Martin Harran wrote:
On Thu, 2 Apr 2026 13:04:32 +1100, MarkE <me22over7@gmail.com> wrote:
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On 2/04/2026 12:46 pm, RonO wrote:
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[…]
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the gaps were not Biblical and the god that
fills those gaps is not the god described in the Bible.
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[…]
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Ron, shoosh.
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Ron posts some absolute rubbish about religion and religious
believers, but he is right on that specific point. I have repeatedly
asked you and other ID'ers to explain how you get from a God fiddling
about with atoms and molecules (AKA 'fine tuning') to the God that you
and I and most of them believe in, a God with whom we can have a
personal relationship. None of you have been able to offer any
suggestion. Until you deal with that, you are going to have problems
with believers like myself, never mind with scientists.
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Mark, by implication, makes a good case for atheism.
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I am not a fan of David Frost - he was the Tory minister who led the
Brexit negotiations that eventually took the UK out of the EU. He had
a religious oriented article in the Telegraph this week about his
turning to Catholicism which he thinks may be part of a more general
swing back towards religion, particularly among young people. In the
article, he writes:
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"… After all, the important thing about Christianity is not whether it
makes you feel better or whether it is good for society, but whether
it is true. If it is, we should all want to know that, and if it
isn't, we are right to reject it. The one thing we should not do is
not properly consider it.
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[…]
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In an essay entitled Man or Rabbit?, CS Lewis gently mocked those who
didn't reject Christianity but tried to ignore it, not from disbelief,
but from a suspicion that it might be true after all and that
acknowledging it would be inconvenient - rather like someone who
doesn't open their bank statements for fear of what might be in them."
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Are there any such people? >
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I'd be surprised if there weren't - human attitudes are rather wide
ranging.
 So you can't actually say that any such person exists. Lewis gently mocks a phenomenon so rare that there are no known examples. As I said, a straw man.
I was wondering whether Martin had misspoken ("didn't" for "did", which would be a mild form of a common libel), as at a first thought a person who didn't reject Christianity would be a Christian. But perhaps a few "cafeteria Christians" or apatheists might match the description.
 
C.S. Lewis was quite good at attacking
strawmen.
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No better than yourself.
 "I know you are, but what am I?" Lame.
 
How do we know that wasn't another?
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That ties in with a trend I have noticed here and in other places
where people who most vehemently dismiss religious belief are often
people who have never given it any serious consideration and have very
little understanding of what it actually is.
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That's quite a different thing, though, isn't it? How many of those
people, if indeed they have very little understanding, have that
suspicion that it might be true but inconvenient?
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Original article:
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/04/02/britain-quietly- awakening-supernatural-christianity/
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Unpaywalled access:
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https://archive.is/2xnoi
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