Re: The Debate Has Been Settled - Creationism Has Won

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Sujet : Re: The Debate Has Been Settled - Creationism Has Won
De : john.harshman (at) *nospam* gmail.com (John Harshman)
Groupes : talk.origins
Date : 13. Apr 2026, 17:49:59
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On 4/13/26 4:11 AM, Martin Harran wrote:
On Thu, 9 Apr 2026 17:11:19 -0700, John Harshman
<john.harshman@gmail.com> wrote:
 
On 4/9/26 4:43 PM, ShyDavid wrote:
On 2026/04/09 7:14 AM, John Harshman wrote:
On 4/9/26 1:43 AM, Martin Harran wrote:
On Wed, 8 Apr 2026 12:36:43 -0700, John Harshman
<john.harshman@gmail.com> wrote:
>
On 4/8/26 4:46 AM, Martin Harran wrote:
>
[...]
>
As Carl Sagan liked to put it "absence of evidence is not
evidence of
absence".
>
Did he?
>
Of course he did - unlike you, I do not make up things that people
said.
>
Do you notice that lately everything you say to me involves a
gratuitous
insult?
>
Well you were the one who put a question mark on my reference to Carl
Sagan as if there were some doubt about what i was attributing to him.
>
1995,The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark.
>
Exception: an absence of evidence is evidence of absence only if the
evidence, if it existed, would have been detected.
>
Yes, that's the elephant in the room.
 The elephant in your room is that it is not a problem of non-existent
evidence, it is a problem that there is no way of detecting evidence
that might exist. Do you really think that people who think like Lewis
described are going to admit that they think that way?
But how would he know they thought that way otherwise? Are you saying that he's just making stuff up?

I have no evidence that there's an
elephant in the room. Is that evidence that there's not an elephant?
>
And that deserves a gratuitous insult? There was in fact some doubt. I
don't recognize the statement, so was wondering where you got it. More
importantly, I pointed out that he was wrong in the general case. For
example, absence of evidence that pigs can fly is indeed evidence that
pigs can't fly. The question is "Would we expect to see evidence if a
claim were true?"
>
And you respond, sort of, as I predicted, though you carefully avoid
addressing any real issues.
>
>
 

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1 Apr 26 * Effective Tomorrow, We Will Be Archiving the newsgroup. The Debate Has Been Settled — Creationism Has Won346ShyDavid
1 Apr 26 +* Re: Effective Tomorrow, We Will Be Archiving the newsgroup. The Debate Has Been Settled — Creationism Has Won2RonO
2 Apr 26 i`- Re: Effective Tomorrow, We Will Be Archiving the newsgroup. The Debate Has Been Settled — Creationism Has Won1ShyDavid
1 Apr 26 `* Re: Effective Tomorrow, We Will Be Archiving the newsgroup. The Debate Has Been Settled — Creationism Has Won343MarkE
2 Apr 26  +* Re: Effective Tomorrow, We Will Be Archiving the newsgroup. The Debate Has Been Settled — Creationism Has Won61RonO
2 Apr 26  i+* Re: Effective Tomorrow, We Will Be Archiving the newsgroup. The Debate Has Been Settled — Creationism Has Won58MarkE
2 Apr 26  ii+- Re: Effective Tomorrow, We Will Be Archiving the newsgroup. The Debate Has Been Settled — Creationism Has Won1RonO
2 Apr 26  ii+* Re: Effective Tomorrow, We Will Be Archiving the newsgroup. The Debate Has Been Settled — Creationism Has Won5ShyDavid
2 Apr 26  iii+- Re: Effective Tomorrow, We Will Be Archiving the newsgroup. The Debate Has Been Settled — Creationism Has Won1Kerr-Mudd, John
4 Apr 26  iii`* Re: Effective Tomorrow, We Will Be Archiving the newsgroup. The Debate Has Been Settled — Creationism Has Won3MarkE
4 Apr 26  iii `* Re: Effective Tomorrow, We Will Be Archiving the newsgroup. The Debate Has Been Settled — Creationism Has Won2RonO
4 Apr 26  iii  `- Re: Effective Tomorrow, We Will Be Archiving the newsgroup. The Debate Has Been Settled — Creationism Has Won1ShyDavid
4 Apr 26  ii`* Re: The Debate Has Been Settled - Creationism Has Won51Martin Harran
4 Apr 26  ii +* Re: The Debate Has Been Settled - Creationism Has Won29Ernest Major
5 Apr 26  ii i`* Re: The Debate Has Been Settled - Creationism Has Won28Martin Harran
6 Apr 26  ii i +* Re: The Debate Has Been Settled - Creationism Has Won22John Harshman
6 Apr 26  ii i i`* Re: The Debate Has Been Settled - Creationism Has Won21Martin Harran
6 Apr 26  ii i i `* Re: The Debate Has Been Settled - Creationism Has Won20John Harshman
6 Apr 26  ii i i  +* Re: The Debate Has Been Settled - Creationism Has Won3Ernest Major
6 Apr 26  ii i i  i+- Re: The Debate Has Been Settled - Creationism Has Won1John Harshman
7 Apr 26  ii i i  i`- Re: The Debate Has Been Settled - Creationism Has Won1Martin Harran
6 Apr 26  ii i i  +- Re: The Debate Has Been Settled - Creationism Has Won1Ernest Major
7 Apr 26  ii i i  `* Re: The Debate Has Been Settled - Creationism Has Won15Martin Harran
8 Apr 26  ii i i   `* Re: The Debate Has Been Settled - Creationism Has Won14John Harshman
8 Apr 26  ii i i    `* Re: The Debate Has Been Settled - Creationism Has Won13Martin Harran
8 Apr 26  ii i i     `* Re: The Debate Has Been Settled - Creationism Has Won12John Harshman
9 Apr 26  ii i i      `* Re: The Debate Has Been Settled - Creationism Has Won11Martin Harran
9 Apr 26  ii i i       `* Re: The Debate Has Been Settled - Creationism Has Won10John Harshman
9 Apr 26  ii i i        +- Re: The Debate Has Been Settled - Creationism Has Won1William Hyde
10 Apr 26  ii i i        `* Re: The Debate Has Been Settled - Creationism Has Won8ShyDavid
10 Apr 26  ii i i         `* Re: The Debate Has Been Settled - Creationism Has Won7John Harshman
10 Apr 26  ii i i          +* Re: The Debate Has Been Settled - Creationism Has Won4ShyDavid
10 Apr 26  ii i i          i+- Re: The Debate Has Been Settled - Creationism Has Won1John Harshman
13 Apr 26  ii i i          i`* Re: The Debate Has Been Settled - Creationism Has Won2John Harshman
13 Apr 26  ii i i          i `- Re: The Debate Has Been Settled - Creationism Has Won1RonO
13 Apr 26  ii i i          `* Re: The Debate Has Been Settled - Creationism Has Won2Martin Harran
13 Apr 26  ii i i           `- Re: The Debate Has Been Settled - Creationism Has Won1John Harshman
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10 Apr 26  ii i  i+- Re: The Debate Has Been Settled - Creationism Has Won1Kerr-Mudd, John
12 Apr 26  ii i  i`- Re: The Debate Has Been Settled - Creationism Has Won1Mark Isaak
13 Apr 26  ii i  `- Re: The Debate Has Been Settled - Creationism Has Won1Martin Harran
16 Apr 26  ii `* Re: The Debate Has Been Settled - Creationism Has Won21Kerr-Mudd, John
16 Apr 26  ii  `* Re: The Debate Has Been Settled - Creationism Has Won20sticks
16 Apr 26  ii   +- Re: The Debate Has Been Settled - Creationism Has Won1ShyDavid
16 Apr 26  ii   +- Re: The Debate Has Been Settled - Creationism Has Won1Vincent Maycock
17 Apr 26  ii   +- Re: The Debate Has Been Settled - Creationism Has Won1Kerr-Mudd, John
18 Apr 26  ii   +* Re: The Debate Has Been Settled - Creationism Has Won15Martin Harran
18 Apr 26  ii   i`* Re: The Debate Has Been Settled - Creationism Has Won14sticks
18 Apr 26  ii   i +- Re: The Debate Has Been Settled - Creationism Has Won1ShyDavid
20 Apr 26  ii   i +* Re: The Debate Has Been Settled - Creationism Has Won11Mark Isaak
20 Apr 26  ii   i i`* Re: The Debate Has Been Settled - Creationism Has Won10sticks
21 Apr 26  ii   i i `* Re: The Debate Has Been Settled - Creationism Has Won9Mark Isaak
21 Apr 26  ii   i i  `* Re: The Debate Has Been Settled - Creationism Has Won8sticks
23 Apr 26  ii   i i   `* Re: The Debate Has Been Settled - Creationism Has Won7Mark Isaak
23 Apr 26  ii   i i    `* Re: The Debate Has Been Settled - Creationism Has Won6sticks
23 Apr 26  ii   i i     +- Re: The Debate Has Been Settled - Creationism Has Won1Vincent Maycock
25 Apr 26  ii   i i     `* Re: The Debate Has Been Settled - Creationism Has Won4Mark Isaak
25 Apr 26  ii   i i      `* Re: The Debate Has Been Settled - Creationism Has Won3sticks
26 Apr 26  ii   i i       +- Re: The Debate Has Been Settled - Creationism Has Won1Vincent Maycock
27 Apr 26  ii   i i       `- Re: The Debate Has Been Settled - Creationism Has Won1Mark Isaak
20 Apr 26  ii   i `- Re: The Debate Has Been Settled - Creationism Has Won1Martin Harran
18 Apr 26  ii   `- Re: The Debate Has Been Settled - Creationism Has Won1Mark Isaak
2 Apr 26  i`* Re: Effective Tomorrow, We Will Be Archiving the newsgroup. The Debate Has Been Settled — Creationism Has Won2MarkE
2 Apr 26  i `- Re: Effective Tomorrow, We Will Be Archiving the newsgroup. The Debate Has Been Settled — Creationism Has Won1RonO
2 Apr 26  `* Re: Effective Tomorrow, We Will Be Archiving the newsgroup. The Debate Has Been Settled — Creationism Has Won281ShyDavid
4 Apr 26   `* Re: Effective Tomorrow, We Will Be Archiving the newsgroup. The Debate Has Been Settled — Creationism Has Won280MarkE
6 Apr 26    +* Re: Effective Tomorrow, We Will Be Archiving the newsgroup. The Debate Has Been Settled — Creationism Has Won253MarkE
6 Apr 26    i`* Re: Effective Tomorrow, We Will Be Archiving the newsgroup. The Debate Has Been Settled — Creationism Has Won252ShyDavid
6 Apr 26    i +* Re: Effective Tomorrow, We Will Be Archiving the newsgroup. The Debate Has Been Settled — Creationism Has Won2sticks
7 Apr 26    i i`- Re: Effective Tomorrow, We Will Be Archiving the newsgroup. The Debate Has Been Settled — Creationism Has Won1ShyDavid
6 Apr 26    i `* Re: Effective Tomorrow, We Will Be Archiving the newsgroup. The Debate Has Been Settled — Creationism Has Won249MarkE
7 Apr 26    i  `* Re: Effective Tomorrow, We Will Be Archiving the newsgroup. The Debate Has Been Settled — Creationism Has Won248MarkE
7 Apr 26    i   `* gods (was april fool: Re: Effective Tomorrow, We Will Be Archiving the newsgroup. The Debate Has Been Settled — Creationism Has Won247Kerr-Mudd, John
7 Apr 26    i    `* Re: gods (was april fool: Re: Effective Tomorrow, We Will Be Archiving the newsgroup. The Debate Has Been Settled — Creationism Has Won246MarkE
8 Apr 26    i     +* Re: gods (was april fool: Re: Effective Tomorrow, We Will Be Archiving the newsgroup. The Debate Has Been Settled — Creationism Has Won244RonO
8 Apr 26    i     i+* Re: gods (was april fool: Re: Effective Tomorrow, We Will Be Archiving the newsgroup. The Debate Has Been Settled — Creationism Has Won242MarkE
8 Apr 26    i     ii+* Re: gods (was april fool: Re: Effective Tomorrow, We Will Be Archiving the newsgroup. The Debate Has Been Settled — Creationism Has Won239RonO
8 Apr 26    i     iii`* Re: gods (was april fool: Re: Effective Tomorrow, We Will Be Archiving the newsgroup. The Debate Has Been Settled — Creationism Has Won238MarkE
8 Apr 26    i     iii `* Re: gods (was april fool: Re: Effective Tomorrow, We Will Be Archiving the newsgroup. The Debate Has Been Settled — Creationism Has Won237RonO
10 Apr 26    i     iii  `* Re: gods (was april fool: Re: Effective Tomorrow, We Will Be Archiving the newsgroup. The Debate Has Been Settled — Creationism Has Won236MarkE
10 Apr 26    i     iii   +* Re: gods (was april fool: Re: Effective Tomorrow, We Will Be Archiving the newsgroup. The Debate Has Been Settled — Creationism Has Won221RonO
10 Apr 26    i     iii   i+* Re: gods (was april fool: Re: Effective Tomorrow, We Will Be Archiving the newsgroup. The Debate Has Been Settled — Creationism Has Won219MarkE
10 Apr 26    i     iii   ii`* Re: gods (was april fool: Re: Effective Tomorrow, We Will Be Archiving the newsgroup. The Debate Has Been Settled — Creationism Has Won218RonO
11 Apr 26    i     iii   ii `* Re: gods (was april fool: Re: Effective Tomorrow, We Will Be Archiving the newsgroup. The Debate Has Been Settled — Creationism Has Won217MarkE
11 Apr 26    i     iii   ii  +* Re: gods (was april fool: Re: Effective Tomorrow, We Will Be Archiving the newsgroup. The Debate Has Been Settled — Creationism Has Won188RonO
11 Apr 26    i     iii   ii  i`* Re: gods (was april fool: Re: Effective Tomorrow, We Will Be Archiving the newsgroup. The Debate Has Been Settled — Creationism Has Won187MarkE
12 Apr 26    i     iii   ii  i `* Re: gods (was april fool: Re: Effective Tomorrow, We Will Be Archiving the newsgroup. The Debate Has Been Settled — Creationism Has Won186RonO
12 Apr 26    i     iii   ii  i  +* Re: gods (was april fool: Re: Effective Tomorrow, We Will Be Archiving the newsgroup. The Debate Has Been Settled — Creationism Has Won143MarkE
12 Apr 26    i     iii   ii  i  i`* Re: gods (was april fool: Re: Effective Tomorrow, We Will Be Archiving the newsgroup. The Debate Has Been Settled — Creationism Has Won142RonO
13 Apr 26    i     iii   ii  i  i `* Re: gods (was april fool: Re: Effective Tomorrow, We Will Be Archiving the newsgroup. The Debate Has Been Settled — Creationism Has Won141MarkE
13 Apr 26    i     iii   ii  i  i  `* Re: gods (was april fool: Re: Effective Tomorrow, We Will Be Archiving the newsgroup. The Debate Has Been Settled — Creationism Has Won140RonO
13 Apr 26    i     iii   ii  i  i   `* Re: gods (was april fool: Re: Effective Tomorrow, We Will Be Archiving the newsgroup. The Debate Has Been Settled — Creationism Has Won139MarkE
14 Apr 26    i     iii   ii  i  i    `* Re: gods (was april fool: Re: Effective Tomorrow, We Will Be Archiving the newsgroup. The Debate Has Been Settled — Creationism Has Won138RonO
14 Apr 26    i     iii   ii  i  i     +* Re: gods (was april fool: Re: Effective Tomorrow, We Will Be Archiving the newsgroup. The Debate Has Been Settled — Creationism Has Won2MarkE
14 Apr 26    i     iii   ii  i  i     i`- Re: gods (was april fool: Re: Effective Tomorrow, We Will Be Archiving the newsgroup. The Debate Has Been Settled — Creationism Has Won1RonO
15 Apr 26    i     iii   ii  i  i     `* Re: The Debate Has Been Settled - Creationism Has Won135Martin Harran
15 Apr 26    i     iii   ii  i  i      +* Re: The Debate Has Been Settled - Creationism Has Won132Kerr-Mudd, John
15 Apr 26    i     iii   ii  i  i      i`* Re: The Debate Has Been Settled - Creationism Has Won131Martin Harran
15 Apr 26    i     iii   ii  i  i      i +- Re: The Debate Has Been Settled - Creationism Has Won1Kerr-Mudd, John
15 Apr 26    i     iii   ii  i  i      i `* Re: The Debate Has Been Settled - Creationism Has Won129RonO
15 Apr 26    i     iii   ii  i  i      `* Re: The Debate Has Been Settled - Creationism Has Won2MarkE
13 Apr 26    i     iii   ii  i  `* Re: The Debate Has Been Settled - Creationism Has Won42Martin Harran
15 Apr 26    i     iii   ii  `* Re: gods (was april fool: Re: Effective Tomorrow, We Will Be Archiving the newsgroup. The Debate Has Been Settled — Creationism Has Won28sticks
10 Apr 26    i     iii   i`- Re: gods (was april fool: Re: Effective Tomorrow, We Will Be Archiving the newsgroup. The Debate Has Been Settled — Creationism Has Won1ShyDavid
10 Apr 26    i     iii   +* Re: gods (was april fool: Re: Effective Tomorrow, We Will Be Archiving the newsgroup. The Debate Has Been Settled — Creationism Has Won11Kerr-Mudd, John
10 Apr 26    i     iii   `* Re: gods (was april fool: Re: Effective Tomorrow, We Will Be Archiving the newsgroup. The Debate Has Been Settled — Creationism Has Won3ShyDavid
9 Apr 26    i     ii`* Re: The Debate Has Been Settled - Creationism Has Won2Martin Harran
8 Apr 26    i     i`- Re: gods (was april fool: Re: Effective Tomorrow, We Will Be Archiving the newsgroup. The Debate Has Been Settled — Creationism Has Won1ShyDavid
8 Apr 26    i     `- Re: gods (was april fool: Re: Effective Tomorrow, We Will Be Archiving the newsgroup. The Debate Has Been Settled — Creationism Has Won1ShyDavid
6 Apr 26    +* Re: Effective Tomorrow, We Will Be Archiving the newsgroup. The Debate Has Been Settled — Creationism Has Won25Mark Isaak
6 Apr 26    `- Re: Effective Tomorrow, We Will Be Archiving the newsgroup. The Debate Has Been Settled — Creationism Has Won1RonO

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