Re: Grand Canyon was carved by Flood (well, a flood anyway)

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Sujet : Re: Grand Canyon was carved by Flood (well, a flood anyway)
De : rokimoto557 (at) *nospam* gmail.com (RonO)
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Date : 05. May 2026, 14:56:49
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On 5/4/2026 3:14 PM, Vincent Maycock wrote:
On Mon, 4 May 2026 14:03:26 -0500, RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com> wrote:
 
On 5/4/2026 10:39 AM, Pro Plyd wrote:
RonO wrote:
On 4/18/2026 12:50 PM, ShyDavid wrote:
On 2026/04/18 11:36 AM, RonO wrote:
On 4/18/2026 11:14 AM, Mark Isaak wrote:
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It is difficult to imagine what they tell the rubes.  The canyon is a
mile deep.  There are trilobite fossils in the lower levels of the
canyon.  They have animal tracks fossilized in some of the more recent
sedimentary layers that were supposed to have been laid down by the
flood.  These were fresh water sand dunes (likely desert dunes) that
would have had to be created during the global flood and some hardy
survivors would have been walking around on them.  This would all have
had to be happening as the continents moved thousands of miles to
their present position in the single year of the flood.  They really
believe that the Atlantic basin was created during the flood.  My
guess is with all that crustal movement and subduction in other
regions of the earth that what was left was rubble or molten rock.
Over 65 million years of continental drift occuring within one year.
I've read mention of Racing Continents but have never come
across a reference for it. Got one? SOunds like entertaining
reading for Coffee and Donuts...
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https://answersingenesis.org/geology/plate-tectonics/?srsltid=AfmBOorw2a_nNefAf55LOoErhjsXrtbtMY70XuW5MFrWEcQw5zwTBFxK
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I didn't watch the video, but they claim that the continents "sprinted"
to their current positions during the flood.
 You didn't miss much.  Can you believe, for example, that he cites
marine fossils on mountain tops as evidence that the Flood waters
covered those mountains? (with the standard explanation, of course,
being that those fossils are the remains of marine deposits raised up
by plate tectonics mountain building activities).  He also uses a
straw man version of mainstream geology, where local catastrophes just
can't happen for some reason.
 He says if there was a Flood, we would expect to find billions of dead
animals fossilized in the rocks without dealing with the utter lack of
any evidence for a human civilizations in the fossil record that were
supposed to have been the reason for the alleged Flood in the first
place. He talks about rocks being deformed without mentioning how that
can happen slowly under high pressure and temperature, or given low
strain rates under much more prosaic conditions.
 And he doesn't talk about how the walls of the Grand Canyon could
maintain their structural integrity if they weren't turned to rock
during the Flood.  He also conflates large depositional environments
with large areas for Flood deposits to form.  And he doesn't mention
that contact between layers often show erosion like river channels if
they're traced far enough laterally, and doesn't explain how paleosols
could form at the boundaries of these layers in a Flood.
 It's pseudoscience in its purest form, in this case a comic-book
version of science.
 
https://creation.com/en/articles/hydroplate-theory
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This seems to be an unintentionally humorous analysis of the mechanism
for moving the continents thousands of miles during the year of the
flood.  The serious tone of the writing is often entertaining for anyone
that has been told the various flood models that the lunatics have come
up with, and understands what the author is alluding to and referencing.
>
I only read to the HPT mechanism.
>
Ron Okimoto
 His conclusion is:
 "As a result of my analysis of Brown’s HPT model for the Flood, I do
not consider his model a viable Flood model for the general and
specific reasons summarized above."
 
It should be noted that the author is YEC and believes that there was a global flood just a few thousand years ago, and that the continents must have moved to their current locations from being a single land mass during the flood.  He believes that the Biblical god did it, but he is admitting that they do not know how god-did-it.  Gondwana started to break up 180 million years ago, and the Atlantic basin was forming and growing by around 70 million years ago, but that option isn't available to YEC.
Ron Okimoto

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18 Apr 26 * Grand Canyon was carved by Flood (well, a flood anyway)75Mark Isaak
18 Apr 26 +* Re: Grand Canyon was carved by Flood (well, a flood anyway)18RonO
18 Apr 26 i+* Re: Grand Canyon was carved by Flood (well, a flood anyway)16ShyDavid
18 Apr 26 ii+* Re: Grand Canyon was carved by Flood (well, a flood anyway)14RonO
21 Apr 26 iii+* Re: Grand Canyon was carved by Flood (well, a flood anyway)2ShyDavid
4 May 26 iiii`- Re: Grand Canyon was carved by Flood (well, a flood anyway)1Pro Plyd
4 May 26 iii`* Re: Grand Canyon was carved by Flood (well, a flood anyway)11Pro Plyd
4 May 26 iii +* Re: Grand Canyon was carved by Flood (well, a flood anyway)9RonO
4 May 26 iii i`* Re: Grand Canyon was carved by Flood (well, a flood anyway)8Vincent Maycock
5 May 26 iii i `* Re: Grand Canyon was carved by Flood (well, a flood anyway)7RonO
5 May 26 iii i  `* Re: Grand Canyon was carved by Flood (well, a flood anyway)6Vincent Maycock
8 May 26 iii i   `* Re: Grand Canyon was carved by Flood (well, a flood anyway)5sticks
8 May 26 iii i    +* Re: Grand Canyon was carved by Flood (well, a flood anyway)3Ernest Major
8 May 26 iii i    i`* Re: Grand Canyon was carved by Flood (well, a flood anyway)2sticks
8 May 26 iii i    i `- Re: Grand Canyon was carved by Flood (well, a flood anyway)1RonO
8 May 26 iii i    `- Re: Grand Canyon was carved by Flood (well, a flood anyway)1Vincent Maycock
5 May 26 iii `- Re: Grand Canyon was carved by Flood (well, a flood anyway)1Mark Isaak
4 May 26 ii`- Re: Grand Canyon was carved by Flood (well, a flood anyway)1Pro Plyd
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21 Apr 26  i +* Re: Grand Canyon was carved by Flood (well, a flood anyway)4ShyDavid
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24 Apr 26  i `* Re: Grand Canyon was carved by Flood (well, a flood anyway)4David Canzi
26 Apr 26  i  `* Re: Grand Canyon was carved by Flood (well, a flood anyway)3Martin Harran
28 Apr 26  i   `* Re: Grand Canyon was carved by Flood (well, a flood anyway)2David Canzi
28 Apr 26  i    `- Re: Grand Canyon was carved by Flood (well, a flood anyway)1Samuel Spade
20 Apr 26  +* Re: Grand Canyon was carved by Flood (well, a flood anyway)9Mark Isaak
21 Apr 26  i+- Re: Grand Canyon was carved by Flood (well, a flood anyway)1ShyDavid
21 Apr 26  i`* Re: Grand Canyon was carved by Flood (well, a flood anyway)7Martin Harran
21 Apr 26  i `* Re: Grand Canyon was carved by Flood (well, a flood anyway)6Mark Isaak
22 Apr 26  i  +* Re: Grand Canyon was carved by Flood (well, a flood anyway)4Martin Harran
23 Apr 26  i  i`* Re: Grand Canyon was carved by Flood (well, a flood anyway)3Mark Isaak
26 Apr 26  i  i `* Re: Grand Canyon was carved by Flood (well, a flood anyway)2Martin Harran
28 Apr 26  i  i  `- Re: Grand Canyon was carved by Flood (well, a flood anyway)1Mark Isaak
4 May 26  i  `- Re: Grand Canyon was carved by Flood (well, a flood anyway)1Pro Plyd
21 Apr 26  `* Re: Grand Canyon was carved by Flood (well, a flood anyway)36sticks
23 Apr 26   +* Re: Grand Canyon was carved by Flood (well, a flood anyway)23sticks
24 Apr 26   i+- Re: Grand Canyon was carved by Flood (well, a flood anyway)1Mark Isaak
26 Apr 26   i`* Re: Grand Canyon was carved by Flood (well, a flood anyway)21Martin Harran
28 Apr 26   i `* Re: Grand Canyon was carved by Flood (well, a flood anyway)20Mark Isaak
28 Apr 26   i  +* Re: Grand Canyon was carved by Flood (well, a flood anyway)18Martin Harran
28 Apr 26   i  i+* Re: Grand Canyon was carved by Flood (well, a flood anyway)16Ernest Major
28 Apr 26   i  ii+* Re: Grand Canyon was carved by Flood (well, a flood anyway)10Martin Harran
30 Apr 26   i  iii+* Re: Grand Canyon was carved by Flood (well, a flood anyway)6Mark Isaak
30 Apr 26   i  iiii`* Re: Grand Canyon was carved by Flood (well, a flood anyway)5Martin Harran
1 May 26   i  iiii `* Re: Grand Canyon was carved by Flood (well, a flood anyway)4Mark Isaak
7 May 26   i  iiii  `* Re: Grand Canyon was carved by Flood (well, a flood anyway)3Martin Harran
7 May 26   i  iiii   +- Re: Grand Canyon was carved by Flood (well, a flood anyway)1Ernest Major
8 May 26   i  iiii   `- Re: Grand Canyon was carved by Flood (well, a flood anyway)1Mark Isaak
1 May 26   i  iii`* Re: Grand Canyon was carved by Flood (well, a flood anyway)3Ernest Major
7 May 26   i  iii `* Re: Grand Canyon was carved by Flood (well, a flood anyway)2Martin Harran
7 May 26   i  iii  `- Re: Grand Canyon was carved by Flood (well, a flood anyway)1Ernest Major
28 Apr 26   i  ii`* Re: Grand Canyon was carved by Flood (well, a flood anyway)5Martin Harran
1 May 26   i  ii `* Re: Grand Canyon was carved by Flood (well, a flood anyway)4Ernest Major
7 May 26   i  ii  `* Re: Grand Canyon was carved by Flood (well, a flood anyway)3Martin Harran
7 May 26   i  ii   +- Re: Grand Canyon was carved by Flood (well, a flood anyway)1John Harshman
7 May 26   i  ii   `- Re: Grand Canyon was carved by Flood (well, a flood anyway)1Ernest Major
1 May 26   i  i`- Re: Grand Canyon was carved by Flood (well, a flood anyway)1Mark Isaak
28 Apr 26   i  `- Re: Grand Canyon was carved by Flood (well, a flood anyway)1RonO
13 May 26   `* Re: Grand Canyon was carved by Flood (well, a flood anyway)12sticks
14 May 26    +- Re: Grand Canyon was carved by Flood (well, a flood anyway)1sticks
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14 May 26    i+- Re: Grand Canyon was carved by Flood (well, a flood anyway)1Vincent Maycock
16 May 26    i+* Re: Grand Canyon was carved by Flood (well, a flood anyway)2MarkE
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21 May 26    i `- Re: Grand Canyon was carved by Flood (well, a flood anyway)1sticks
21 May 26    `* Re: Grand Canyon was carved by Flood (well, a flood anyway)4Martin Harran
21 May 26     `* Re: Grand Canyon was carved by Flood (well, a flood anyway)3sticks
22 May 26      +- Re: Grand Canyon was carved by Flood (well, a flood anyway)1Vincent Maycock
23 May12:07      `- Re: Grand Canyon was carved by Flood (well, a flood anyway)1Kerr-Mudd, John

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