Re: The Debate Has Been Settled - Creationism Has Won

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Sujet : Re: The Debate Has Been Settled - Creationism Has Won
De : martinharran (at) *nospam* gmail.com (Martin Harran)
Groupes : talk.origins
Date : 08. Jun 2026, 13:38:58
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On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 12:46:03 -0500, RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com> wrote:

On 6/7/2026 11:16 AM, Martin Harran wrote:
On Sat, 6 Jun 2026 11:02:36 -0500, RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com> wrote:
 
[…]
 
I think that it is clear that your sources are as unreliable as you are.
 
You have written elsewhere about your experience in peer review.
Imagine for a minute that the claims you have been making are in the
form of a paper for publication that you have been asked to peer
review. Here are a summary of the relevant sources. Would you care to
share what your reacation as peer reviewer would be?
>
You need to quit lying about the past and stop doing it.  It has always
been your sources that have come up short or supported the sources that
you want to keep lying about. 

So, when Cardinal Bellarmine issued a written statement in 1616 that
explicitly stated that Galileo had been neither tried nor otherwise
condemned, was he lying, coming up short, or supporting your claim
that Galileo was charged with heresy at that time? Or am I just lying
about what he said?


This current stupidity that you are
putting up is your dishonwest response to how your latest source lied
about the situation in order to support your take on the issue.  You
could not deal honestly with how your source had been caught lying and
you ran, sniped and ran, and lied about running.  You then tried to
quote mine the document that demonstrated that your source had lied
about the inquisition being the only church body to have condemned
heliocentrism.  The Jesuits were pretty matter of fact that the Pope had
condemned heliocentrism and put up the document that the pope had
ordered to be produced.  You tried to quote mine the document as some
excused for your dishonest behavior.
>
Nothing that you can possibly do will undo your past failures.  You need
to apologize for doing it and stop doing the stupid and dishonest junk.
>

[…]

 
My selected sources opposing the claims:
=======================
 
Cardinal Bellarmine, top theologian in the Vatican in 1615/1616 and
the person who dealt directly with Galileo on behalf of the Pope and
the Holy Office (Inquisition)
 
 
Professor Augustus De Morgan, renowned mathematician and logician who
developed De Morgan laws. He reviewed the treatment of Galileo in
'Budget of Paradoxes' (1864)
 
 
Karl von Gebler historian, known for publishing the records of the
trial of Galileo Galilei: 'Galileo Galilei and the Roman Curia' (1879)
 
The Catholic Encylopedia, published in 1909 to "to give its readers
full and authoritative information on the entire cycle of Catholic
interests, action and doctrine". Detailed article about Galileo and
how how the Church treated him badly.
 
 
Stillman Drake, an American historian of science regarded as the
foremost expert on Galileo, about whom he wrote wrote 16 books
including 'Galileo at Work' (1978) which examined in detail Galileo's
interactions with the Church.
 
 
Richard J Blackwell, American philosopher and professor emeritus of
philosophy at Saint Louis University where he held the Danforth Chair
in the Humanities. His research has been on the interactions between
modern science and philosophy. Author of 'Galileo, Bellarmine, and the
Bible' (1991)
 
 
Maurice A. Finocchiaro, American philosopher and Distinguished
Professor Emeritus of Philosophy at the University of Nevada, Las
Vegas. He is known for his works on the history of science with a
particular focus on Galileo and his impact. Author of ' Defending
Copernicus and Galileo: Critical Reasoning in the Two Affairs' (2010)
 
 
Your sources offered to support the claims:
==========================
 
A Wiki site but no specific quote given.
 
An anonymous blogger promoting geocentrism.
 
[…]
>


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15 Apr 26    i     iii   ii  i  i      +* Re: The Debate Has Been Settled - Creationism Has Won256Kerr-Mudd, John
15 Apr 26    i     iii   ii  i  i      i`* Re: The Debate Has Been Settled - Creationism Has Won255Martin Harran
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9 Apr 26    i     ii`* Re: The Debate Has Been Settled - Creationism Has Won2Martin Harran
8 Apr 26    i     i`- Re: gods (was april fool: Re: Effective Tomorrow, We Will Be Archiving the newsgroup. The Debate Has Been Settled — Creationism Has Won1ShyDavid
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