Re: The climate crisis grows exponentially.

"Paul Aubrin" <paul.aubrin@invalid.org> wrote in message news:%%1QO.3362042$EVn.772513@fx04.ams4...

Le 15/10/2024 à 20:28, R Kym Horsell a écrit :

You can't "prove" anything to a nitwit. In this case a
disingenuous nitwit.

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You have to prove what you allegate, even if some of your contradictors won't be convinced.
Scout's argument was : "Because you've already admitted that "warm period" occur naturally so how can you establish this isn't natural? "
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So : what makes you so sure that, though previous climate fluctuations were "natural", the modern one is not.

Bingo.
Now consider.. We know that Sol is a variable star, and we have firmly established a 11 year cycle in which luminosity (and thus heat output) changes) who is to say there aren't longer cycles of which we know little or nothing about? After all, something caused all those Ice Ages.
That's external, now, what about internal?
We know the rotation of the Earth has changed over time, and is currently changing now. Which means a shift in mass. But not just any shift in mass. it has to be a shift in mass AWAY from the center, since we are slowing. If the mass moved toward the center then rotation increases. So all this ice and snow that is melting and running into the oceans SHOULD be increasing the speed of the earth's rotation, but it's slowing. So what other fluid/semi-fluid mass do we have? The Earth's core? Could this be cause by the cooler outer core sinking into the inner core and pushing the more fluid (and hotter) less dense inner core out towards the surface. The hotter it is and the closer it is the the surface the more heat will be transferred outwards.
Given the surface area and time even a minor change would affect atmospheric temperatures.
We KNOW global temperatures have changed before, and thus are almost certainly going to do so again. Indeed, based on past cycles we are due for a period of global warming.
ALL though natural processes.
So how does kensi propose to show that this cycle at this time is somehow non-natural?
She can't. There is no known way to totally account for natural changes because we don't have a long enough time window of accurate measurement to even establish a base line.
I mean WHO has ever monitored deep soil temperatures for centuries or even decades.. but a 1 degree change in ground temperature would drastically impact air temperatures.. which then impacts other things which further impact air temperatures.. and so so and such like.
Further if she were TRULY concerned about Carbon Emissions, she would be calling for a global embargo of all Chinese products.
Their contribution to global emissions dwarfs any reduction made by the rest of the planet.
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/cp/animation-top-15-carbon-emitters-1850-2022/
We would do more for the environment by boycotting China than anything else.
Oh, and where do we get the bulk of solar panels and the generator heads for those windmills.. that's not even considering the mining China does to get the rare earths needed for both.
And when we get done with the solar panels.. we have only one thing to do with them.. crush them up and dump them in a landfill there to leach the nasty elements into our ground water, because we have no means to recycle them at least not at any cost effective manner.. unless we are going to massively increase the price of solar panels to the point no one could afford them.
No, if we were truly interested in reducing CO2 and cleaning the air and actually improving the environment.. we would be planting trees. Lots of trees.