Re: Americans: that clueless cretin you elected just killed the CVE program :-(

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Sujet : Re: Americans: that clueless cretin you elected just killed the CVE program :-(
De : bill.gunshannon (at) *nospam* gmail.com (bill)
Groupes : comp.os.vms
Date : 23. Apr 2025, 02:07:30
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On 4/22/2025 10:54 AM, Dan Cross wrote:
 I learned land navigation using metric units in the US Marines,
using the NATO grid system (not lat/long). 
It's called Universal Transverse Mercator and NATO had nothing
to do with it.
Just a few blurbs:
The Universal Transverse Mercator (UTM) system was developed by the US Army Corps of Engineers starting in the early 1940s.
Provided by AI overview.
The Universal Transverse Mercator projection and grid system was adopted by the U.S. Army in 1947 for designating rectangular coordinates on large scale military maps. UTM is currently used by the United States and NATO armed forces.
MapTools.
Note the dates, long before NATO even existed.
Developed by the US Army Map Service in the late 1940s — probably 1947 — and shortly thereafter adopted by US Army
as well as North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) forces, the Universal Transverse Coordinate (UTM) projection and grid system remained a classified secret for many years.
The Universal Transverse Mercator (UTM) geographic coordinate system
By
Michael A. Neiger
Marquette, Michigan
© Copyright 2010 - 2022
It was originally developed not by NATO but by the US Army.
By the way, just for the sake of curiosity the reason I am rather
well versed in this is because my first job after high school and
leading up to my first enlistment  in the U.S. Army was with  the
above mentioned Army Map Service where I was both a Cartographic
Technician and a Geodetic Aide.  When I went into the Army I was
hell on the Land Navigation Course.  :-)
bill

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16 Apr 25 i+* Re: Americans: that clueless cretin you elected just killed the CVE program :-(2Arne Vajhøj
16 Apr 25 ii`- Re: Americans: that clueless cretin you elected just killed the CVE program :-(1Simon Clubley
16 Apr 25 i+* Re: Americans: that clueless cretin you elected just killed the CVE program :-(2Dave Froble
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16 Apr 25 i`* Re: Americans: that clueless cretin you elected just killed the CVE program :-(3Simon Clubley
16 Apr 25 i `* Re: Americans: that clueless cretin you elected just killed the CVE program :-(2Arne Vajhøj
17 Apr 25 i  `- Re: Americans: that clueless cretin you elected just killed the CVE program :-(1Simon Clubley
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19 Apr 25 ii `* Re: Americans: that clueless cretin you elected just killed the CVE program :-(21Lawrence D'Oliveiro
19 Apr 25 ii  +* Re: Americans: that clueless cretin you elected just killed the CVE program :-(15David Wade
22 Apr 25 ii  i+* Re: Americans: that clueless cretin you elected just killed the CVE program :-(2Dave Froble
22 Apr 25 ii  ii`- Re: Americans: that clueless cretin you elected just killed the CVE program :-(1David Wade
22 Apr 25 ii  i`* Re: Americans: that clueless cretin you elected just killed the CVE program :-(12Simon Clubley
22 Apr 25 ii  i `* Re: Americans: that clueless cretin you elected just killed the CVE program :-(11Dan Cross
22 Apr 25 ii  i  +* Re: Americans: that clueless cretin you elected just killed the CVE program :-(7David Wade
22 Apr 25 ii  i  i+- Re: Americans: that clueless cretin you elected just killed the CVE program :-(1Dan Cross
22 Apr 25 ii  i  i`* Re: Americans: that clueless cretin you elected just killed the CVE program :-(5Lawrence D'Oliveiro
23 Apr 25 ii  i  i +* Re: Americans: that clueless cretin you elected just killed the CVE program :-(3David Wade
24 Apr 25 ii  i  i i`* Re: Americans: that clueless cretin you elected just killed the CVE program :-(2Lawrence D'Oliveiro
9 May 25 ii  i  i i `- Re: Americans: that clueless cretin you elected just killed the CVE program :-(1Scott Dorsey
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23 Apr 25 ii  i    `- Re: Americans: that clueless cretin you elected just killed the CVE program :-(1bill
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22 Apr 25 ii   i`- Re: Americans: that clueless cretin you elected just killed the CVE program :-(1Dave Froble
22 Apr 25 ii   `* Re: Americans: that clueless cretin you elected just killed the CVE program :-(2Arne Vajhøj
22 Apr 25 ii    `- Re: Americans: that clueless cretin you elected just killed the CVE program :-(1Arne Vajhøj
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18 Apr 25 i`* Re: Americans: that clueless cretin you elected just killed the CVE program :-(7Dan Cross
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19 Apr 25 i i`* Re: Americans: that clueless cretin you elected just killed the CVE program :-(3Dan Cross
22 Apr 25 i i `* Re: Americans: that clueless cretin you elected just killed the CVE program :-(2Dave Froble
22 Apr 25 i i  `- Re: Americans: that clueless cretin you elected just killed the CVE program :-(1Simon Clubley
22 Apr 25 i `- Re: Americans: that clueless cretin you elected just killed the CVE program :-(1Dave Froble
25 Apr 25 `* Re: Americans: that clueless cretin you elected just killed the CVE program :-(2Richard
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