Re: Google Groups

On Wed, 10 Jul 2024 15:19:46 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
 

Here in California AT&T doesn't allow Eternal September.

There is a grain of truth here, but tommy - as usual - doesn't get it.
 From https://www.eternal-september.org/
"As AT&T's fancy blacklist rejects mails from Eternal-September.org (again), the following mail domains can not be used for registration as we will not be able to send you your access data:
att.net
ameritech.net
bellsouth.net
pacbell.net
prodigy.net
sbcglobal.net
snet.net
"
It's AT&T email servers that blacklist ES, not AT&T in general.
Tommy is using Yahoo as his email client. Yahoo is majority owned by Apollo Global Management with a minority stake held by Verizon. IOW - AT&Ts blacklist has no effect on a Yahoo address event if AT&T is his ISP.
Tommy would be able to register with ES.org using his Yahoo address, the problem is he can't figure out how to do it.

This forces you to use commercial services.

Other usenet services are private for-profit. They are all "commercial".
ES is a private non-profit _commercial_ service as defined by the SCOTUS in a case called Tony and Susan Alamo Foundation v. Secretary of Labor (1985) 471 U.S. 290, where a commercial service is determined by a test of three questions:
1. Do the activities of the nonprofit serve the general public?
2. Does the nonprofit competes with other commercial enterprises?
3. Does the nonprofit derives an unfair advantage over others because it does not have to comply with Wage & Hour Laws?
from https://www.camft.org/Resources/Legal-Articles/Chronological-Article-List/are-nonprofits-commercial-enterprises
(written by the legal staff at California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists)
"in general, if a non-profit draws consumers from wide swaths of society, and such consumers pay for services, especially when some practitioners at the nonprofit charge full fees for some of the work they do, it would likely be difficult for the nonprofit to deny that it was a “commercial enterprise.” On some level, it was competing with other “commercial enterprises,” meaning private practices, professional corporations, or even possibly other nonprofits in the area. "
Very clearly, ES.org qualifies as a commercial service