| Date | Sujet | # | | Auteur |
| 17 Apr 24 |     Re: Predictive failures | 1 | | Edward Rawde |
| 16 Apr 24 |   Re: Predictive failures | 8 | | Don |
| 16 Apr 24 | Re: Predictive failures | 3 | | Edward Rawde |
| 16 Apr 24 | Re: Predictive failures | 1 | | Don |
| 16 Apr 24 | Re: Predictive failures | 1 | | Don Y |
| 17 Apr 24 | Re: Predictive failures | 3 | | john larkin |
| 17 Apr 24 | Re: Predictive failures | 2 | | Don |
| 17 Apr 24 | Re: Predictive failures | 1 | | Don |
| 17 Apr 24 | Re: Predictive failures | 1 | | Don Y |
| 18 Apr 24 | Re: Predictive failures | 7 | | Buzz McCool |
| 19 Apr 24 | Re: Predictive failures | 6 | | Don Y |
| 19 Apr 24 | Re: Predictive failures | 1 | | Don Y |
| 19 Apr 24 | Re: Predictive failures | 4 | | boB |
| 19 Apr 24 | Re: Predictive failures | 3 | | Don Y |
| 21 Apr 24 | Re: Predictive failures | 2 | | boB |
| 21 Apr 24 | Re: Predictive failures | 1 | | Don Y |
| 18 Apr 24 | spread-spectrum model | 16 | | John Larkin |
| 18 Apr 24 | Re: spread-spectrum model | 15 | | Joe Gwinn |
| 18 Apr 24 | Re: spread-spectrum model | 14 | | John Larkin |
| 19 Apr 24 | Re: spread-spectrum model | 8 | | Joe Gwinn |
| 19 Apr 24 | Re: spread-spectrum model | 7 | | John Larkin |
| 19 Apr 24 | Re: spread-spectrum model | 5 | | boB |
| 19 Apr 24 | Re: spread-spectrum model | 4 | | John Larkin |
| 19 Apr 24 | Re: spread-spectrum model | 3 | | Joe Gwinn |
| 21 Apr 24 | Re: spread-spectrum model | 2 | | boB |
| 21 Apr 24 | Re: spread-spectrum model | 1 | | Joe Gwinn |
| 19 Apr 24 | Re: spread-spectrum model | 1 | | Joe Gwinn |
| 20 Apr 24 | Re: spread-spectrum model | 5 | | legg |
| 20 Apr 24 | Re: spread-spectrum model | 4 | | John Larkin |
| 21 Apr 24 | Re: spread-spectrum model | 3 | | legg |
| 21 Apr 24 | Re: spread-spectrum model | 1 | | John Larkin |
| 21 Apr 24 | Re: spread-spectrum model | 1 | | Joe Gwinn |
| 21 Apr 24 | Re: Laser Mouse | 2 | | Jeff Liebermann |
| 21 Apr 24 | Re: Laser Mouse | 1 | | John Larkin |
| 20 Apr 24 | An ink for 3D printing flexible devices without mechanical joints | 3 | | Jan Panteltje |
| 20 Apr 24 | Re: An ink for 3D printing flexible devices without mechanical joints | 1 | | Don |
| 20 Apr 24 | Re: An ink for 3D printing flexible devices without mechanical joints | 1 | | John Larkin |
| 20 Apr 24 |  EUV video | 1 | | John Larkin |
| 19 Apr 24 | Re: Laser Mouse | 4 | | Joe Gwinn |
| 19 Apr 24 | Re: Laser Mouse | 3 | | John Larkin |
| 19 Apr 24 | Re: Laser Mouse | 2 | | Joe Gwinn |
| 19 Apr 24 | Re: Laser Mouse | 1 | | John Larkin |
| 2 Apr 24 | OT: Breeding nextgen Daleks! | 14 | | Don Y |
| 2 Apr 24 | Re: OT: Breeding nextgen Daleks! | 7 | | Bill Sloman |
| 2 Apr 24 | Re: OT: Breeding nextgen Daleks! | 5 | | Martin Brown |
| 2 Apr 24 | Re: OT: Breeding nextgen Daleks! | 4 | | Don Y |
| 2 Apr 24 | Re: OT: Breeding nextgen Daleks! | 3 | | Clive Arthur |
| 2 Apr 24 | Re: OT: Breeding nextgen Daleks! | 2 | | Don Y |
| 2 Apr 24 | Re: OT: Breeding nextgen Daleks! | 1 | | Don Y |
| 19 Apr 24 | Re: OT: Breeding nextgen Daleks! | 1 | | Clive Arthur |
| 6 Apr 24 | Re: OT: Breeding nextgen Daleks! | 2 | | Don Y |
| 6 Apr 24 | Re: OT: Breeding nextgen Daleks! | 1 | | Don Y |
| 6 Apr 24 | Re: OT: Breeding nextgen Daleks! | 2 | | Don Y |
| 7 Apr 24 | Re: OT: Breeding nextgen Daleks! | 1 | | Don Y |
| 19 Apr 24 | Re: OT: Breeding nextgen Daleks! | 2 | | Don Y |
| 19 Apr 24 | Re: OT: Breeding nextgen Daleks! | 1 | | John Larkin |
| 17 Apr 24 | PCB laser cutting | 6 | | Don Y |
| 17 Apr 24 | Re: PCB laser cutting | 1 | | Don Y |
| 17 Apr 24 | Re: PCB laser cutting | 4 | | John Larkin |
| 17 Apr 24 | Re: PCB laser cutting | 3 | | Joe Gwinn |
| 17 Apr 24 | Re: PCB laser cutting | 2 | | John Larkin |
| 17 Apr 24 | Re: PCB laser cutting | 1 | | Joe Gwinn |
| 11 Apr 24 | Re: gnarly PCB | 4 | | Klaus Vestergaard Kragelund |
| 11 Apr 24 | Re: gnarly PCB | 3 | | John Larkin |
| 13 Apr 24 | Re: gnarly PCB | 2 | | Joe Gwinn |
| 16 Apr 24 | Re: gnarly PCB | 1 | | boB |
| 8 Apr 24 | Re: lithium explosion | 33 | | Jeroen Belleman |
| 12 Apr 24 | Re: lithium explosion | 32 | | Bill Sloman |
| 12 Apr 24 | Re: lithium explosion | 16 | | Liz Tuddenham |
| 12 Apr 24 | Re: lithium explosion | 13 | | Bill Sloman |
| 12 Apr 24 | Re: lithium explosion | 12 | | Liz Tuddenham |
| 13 Apr 24 | Re: lithium explosion | 11 | | Bill Sloman |
| 13 Apr 24 | Re: lithium explosion | 10 | | Liz Tuddenham |
| 13 Apr 24 | Re: lithium explosion | 6 | | John Larkin |
| 14 Apr 24 | Re: lithium explosion | 1 | | Bill Sloman |
| 14 Apr 24 | Re: lithium explosion | 4 | | KevinJ93 |
| 14 Apr 24 | Re: lithium explosion | 3 | | John Larkin |
| 14 Apr 24 | Re: lithium explosion | 1 | | piglet |
| 14 Apr 24 | Re: lithium explosion | 1 | | KevinJ93 |
| 14 Apr 24 | Re: lithium explosion | 3 | | Bill Sloman |
| 14 Apr 24 | Re: lithium explosion | 2 | | Liz Tuddenham |
| 14 Apr 24 | Re: lithium explosion | 1 | | Bill Sloman |
| 13 Apr 24 | Re: lithium explosion | 2 | | Bill Sloman |
| 14 Apr 24 | Re: lithium explosion | 1 | | John R Walliker |
| 12 Apr 24 | Re: lithium explosion | 15 | | Carlos E.R. |
| 12 Apr 24 | Re: lithium explosion | 13 | | Bill Sloman |
| 12 Apr 24 | Re: lithium explosion | 9 | | John Robertson |
| 13 Apr 24 | Re: lithium explosion | 2 | | John Robertson |
| 13 Apr 24 | Re: lithium explosion | 1 | | bitrex |
| 14 Apr 24 | Re: lithium explosion | 6 | | John Larkin |
| 14 Apr 24 | Re: lithium explosion | 5 | | Cursitor Doom |
| 15 Apr 24 | Re: lithium explosion | 1 | | Bill Sloman |
| 15 Apr 24 | Re: lithium explosion | 3 | | John Robertson |
| 15 Apr 24 | Re: lithium explosion | 2 | | Cursitor Doom |
| 15 Apr 24 | Re: lithium explosion | 1 | | Bill Sloman |
| 13 Apr 24 | Re: lithium explosion | 1 | | Bill Sloman |
| 13 Apr 24 | Re: lithium explosion | 2 | | Carlos E.R. |
| 14 Apr 24 | Re: lithium explosion | 1 | | Bill Sloman |
| 13 Apr 24 | Re: lithium explosion | 1 | | Bill Sloman |
| 10 Apr 24 | A Complex Metaphysical Conundrum | 42 | | Cursitor Doom |
| 10 Apr 24 | Re: A Complex Metaphysical Conundrum | 1 | | Cursitor Doom |
| 10 Apr 24 | Re: A Complex Metaphysical Conundrum | 5 | | john larkin |
| 10 Apr 24 | Re: A Complex Metaphysical Conundrum | 4 | | Cursitor Doom |
| 10 Apr 24 | Re: A Complex Metaphysical Conundrum | 3 | | john larkin |
| 10 Apr 24 | Re: A Complex Metaphysical Conundrum | 2 | | Cursitor Doom |
| 11 Apr 24 | Re: A Complex Metaphysical Conundrum | 1 | | Edward Rawde |
| 10 Apr 24 | Re: A Complex Metaphysical Conundrum | 14 | | Edward Rawde |
| 10 Apr 24 | Re: A Complex Metaphysical Conundrum | 13 | | Edward Rawde |
| 10 Apr 24 | Re: A Complex Metaphysical Conundrum | 11 | | Cursitor Doom |
| 11 Apr 24 | Re: A Complex Metaphysical Conundrum | 10 | | Edward Rawde |
| 11 Apr 24 | Re: A Complex Metaphysical Conundrum | 9 | | Cursitor Doom |
| 11 Apr 24 | Re: A Complex Metaphysical Conundrum | 8 | | Edward Rawde |
| 11 Apr 24 | Re: A Complex Metaphysical Conundrum | 7 | | Cursitor Doom |
| 11 Apr 24 | Re: A Complex Metaphysical Conundrum | 1 | | albert |
| 11 Apr 24 | Re: A Complex Metaphysical Conundrum | 5 | | Edward Rawde |
| 11 Apr 24 | Re: A Complex Metaphysical Conundrum | 4 | | Cursitor Doom |
| 11 Apr 24 | Re: A Complex Metaphysical Conundrum | 3 | | Edward Rawde |
| 11 Apr 24 | Re: A Complex Metaphysical Conundrum | 2 | | Cursitor Doom |
| 12 Apr 24 | Re: A Complex Metaphysical Conundrum | 1 | | Bill Sloman |
| 11 Apr 24 | Re: A Complex Metaphysical Conundrum | 1 | | Edward Rawde |
| 10 Apr 24 | Re: A Complex Metaphysical Conundrum | 10 | | Jeroen Belleman |
| 10 Apr 24 | Re: A Complex Metaphysical Conundrum | 9 | | Cursitor Doom |
| 11 Apr 24 | Re: A Complex Metaphysical Conundrum | 8 | | Jeroen Belleman |
| 11 Apr 24 | Re: A Complex Metaphysical Conundrum | 7 | | Cursitor Doom |
| 11 Apr 24 | Re: A Complex Metaphysical Conundrum | 6 | | Jeroen Belleman |
| 11 Apr 24 | Re: A Complex Metaphysical Conundrum | 2 | | Clive Arthur |
| 11 Apr 24 | Re: A Complex Metaphysical Conundrum | 1 | | Jeroen Belleman |
| 11 Apr 24 | Re: A Complex Metaphysical Conundrum | 2 | | Cursitor Doom |
| 11 Apr 24 | Re: A Complex Metaphysical Conundrum | 1 | | Edward Rawde |
| 11 Apr 24 | Re: A Complex Metaphysical Conundrum | 1 | | Jeroen Belleman |
| 11 Apr 24 | Re: A Complex Metaphysical Conundrum | 4 | | Cursitor Doom |
| 12 Apr 24 | Re: A Complex Metaphysical Conundrum | 3 | | Jeroen Belleman |
| 12 Apr 24 | Re: A Complex Metaphysical Conundrum | 2 | | Cursitor Doom |
| 13 Apr 24 | Re: A Complex Metaphysical Conundrum | 1 | | Bill Sloman |
| 11 Apr 24 | Re: A Complex Metaphysical Conundrum | 1 | | Bill Sloman |
| 11 Apr 24 | Re: A Complex Metaphysical Conundrum | 6 | | Cursitor Doom |
| 11 Apr 24 | Re: A Complex Metaphysical Conundrum | 1 | | john larkin |
| 11 Apr 24 | Re: A Complex Metaphysical Conundrum | 4 | | Edward Rawde |
| 11 Apr 24 | Re: A Complex Metaphysical Conundrum | 3 | | Cursitor Doom |
| 11 Apr 24 | Re: A Complex Metaphysical Conundrum | 2 | | Edward Rawde |
| 11 Apr 24 | Re: A Complex Metaphysical Conundrum | 1 | | Cursitor Doom |
| 12 Apr 24 | More silly security | 2 | | Don Y |
| 13 Apr 24 | Re: More silly security | 1 | | Jan Panteltje |
| 8 Apr 24 | Eclipse | 14 | | Phil Hobbs |
| 9 Apr 24 | Re: Eclipse | 9 | | Martin Rid |
| 9 Apr 24 | Re: Eclipse | 8 | | Martin Brown |
| 9 Apr 24 | Re: Eclipse | 2 | | Crash Gordon |
| 10 Apr 24 | Re: Eclipse | 1 | | Martin Brown |
| 10 Apr 24 | Re: Eclipse | 4 | | bitrex |
| 10 Apr 24 | Re: Eclipse | 3 | | Martin Brown |
| 10 Apr 24 | Re: Eclipse | 2 | | Grant Taylor |
| 10 Apr 24 | Re: Eclipse | 1 | | Cursitor Doom |
| 10 Apr 24 | Re: Eclipse | 1 | | bitrex |
| 9 Apr 24 | Re: Eclipse | 3 | | Wanderer |
| 10 Apr 24 | Re: Eclipse | 2 | | bitrex |
| 10 Apr 24 | Re: Eclipse | 1 | | Grant Taylor |
| 12 Apr 24 | Re: Eclipse | 1 | | Tom Del Rosso |
| 8 Apr 24 | eclipse cookies | 3 | | John Larkin |
| 11 Apr 24 | Re: eclipse cookies | 1 | | john larkin |
| 11 Apr 24 | Re: eclipse cookies | 1 | | ehsjr |
| 11 Apr 24 | New technique letd scientists create resistance-free electron channels | 4 | | Jan Panteltje |
| 11 Apr 24 | Re: New technique letd scientists create resistance-free electron channels | 3 | | Jeroen Belleman |
| 11 Apr 24 | Re: New technique letd scientists create resistance-free electron channels | 1 | | Jan Panteltje |
| 11 Apr 24 | Re: New technique letd scientists create resistance-free electron channels | 1 | | Martin Brown |
| 9 Apr 24 | Philips TL-S bulbs | 5 | | Mike Mocha |
| 10 Apr 24 | Re: Philips TL-S bulbs | 4 | | Liz Tuddenham |
| 10 Apr 24 | Re: Philips TL-S bulbs | 3 | | Mike Mocha |
| 10 Apr 24 | Re: Philips TL-S bulbs | 2 | | Liz Tuddenham |
| 11 Apr 24 | Re: Philips TL-S bulbs | 1 | | Mike Mocha |
| 11 Apr 24 | New method of measuring qbits promises ease of scalability in a microscopic package | 1 | | Jan Panteltje |
| 11 Apr 24 | Re: China: Government Starts Phasing Out American Processors, Operating Systems on Government Computers | 1 | | Bill Sloman |
| 9 Apr 24 | Re: Inductance meter for BIST | 2 | | Lasse Langwadt |
| 11 Apr 24 | Re: Inductance meter for BIST | 1 | | Lasse Langwadt |
| 9 Apr 24 | Re: Inductance meter for BIST | 9 | | John Larkin |
| 9 Apr 24 | Re: Inductance meter for BIST | 8 | | Jeroen Belleman |
| 9 Apr 24 | Re: Inductance meter for BIST | 7 | | john larkin |
| 9 Apr 24 | Re: Inductance meter for BIST | 3 | | Jeroen Belleman |
| 9 Apr 24 | Re: Inductance meter for BIST | 1 | | john larkin |
| 10 Apr 24 | Re: Inductance meter for BIST | 1 | | John Larkin |
| 10 Apr 24 | Re: Inductance meter for BIST | 1 | | Klaus Vestergaard Kragelund |
| 10 Apr 24 | Re: Inductance meter for BIST | 2 | | piglet |
| 10 Apr 24 | Re: Inductance meter for BIST | 1 | | Bill Sloman |
| 9 Apr 24 | Proof of principle demonstration of 3-D magnetic recording | 12 | | Jan Panteltje |
| 9 Apr 24 | Re: Proof of principle demonstration of 3-D magnetic recording | 7 | | Jan Panteltje |
| 9 Apr 24 | Re: Proof of principle demonstration of 3-D magnetic recording | 4 | | Jeroen Belleman |
| 9 Apr 24 | Re: Proof of principle demonstration of 3-D magnetic recording | 3 | | Jan Panteltje |
| 10 Apr 24 | Re: Proof of principle demonstration of 3-D magnetic recording | 2 | | John R Walliker |
| 10 Apr 24 | Re: Proof of principle demonstration of 3-D magnetic recording | 1 | | Jan Panteltje |
| 9 Apr 24 | Re: Proof of principle demonstration of 3-D magnetic recording | 2 | | Arie de Muijnck |
| 9 Apr 24 | Re: Proof of principle demonstration of 3-D magnetic recording | 1 | | Jan Panteltje |
| 10 Apr 24 | Re: Proof of principle demonstration of 3-D magnetic recording | 4 | | Liz Tuddenham |
| 10 Apr 24 | Re: Proof of principle demonstration of 3-D magnetic recording | 3 | | Jan Panteltje |
| 10 Apr 24 | Re: Proof of principle demonstration of 3-D magnetic recording | 2 | | Liz Tuddenham |
| 10 Apr 24 | Re: Proof of principle demonstration of 3-D magnetic recording | 1 | | Jan Panteltje |
| 6 Apr 24 | German state gov. dicthing Windows for Linux, 30k workers migrating. | 19 | | Jan Panteltje |
| 6 Apr 24 | Re: German state gov. dicthing Windows for Linux, 30k workers migrating. | 1 | | Don |
| 6 Apr 24 | Re: German state gov. dicthing Windows for Linux, 30k workers migrating. | 17 | | Cursitor Doom |
| 7 Apr 24 | Re: German state gov. dicthing Windows for Linux, 30k workers migrating. | 7 | | Jan Panteltje |
| 7 Apr 24 | Re: German state gov. dicthing Windows for Linux, 30k workers migrating. | 6 | | Cursitor Doom |
| 7 Apr 24 | Re: German state gov. dicthing Windows for Linux, 30k workers migrating. | 5 | | Jan Panteltje |
| 7 Apr 24 | Re: German state gov. dicthing Windows for Linux, 30k workers migrating. | 4 | | Cursitor Doom |
| 8 Apr 24 | Re: German state gov. dicthing Windows for Linux, 30k workers migrating. | 2 | | Jan Panteltje |
| 9 Apr 24 | Re: German state gov. dicthing Windows for Linux, 30k workers migrating. | 1 | | Cursitor Doom |
| 8 Apr 24 | Re: German state gov. dicthing Windows for Linux, 30k workers migrating. | 1 | | Jan Panteltje |
| 7 Apr 24 | Re: German state gov. dicthing Windows for Linux, 30k workers migrating. | 9 | | Liz Tuddenham |
| 7 Apr 24 | Re: German state gov. dicthing Windows for Linux, 30k workers migrating. | 6 | | Don Y |
| 8 Apr 24 | Re: German state gov. dicthing Windows for Linux, 30k workers migrating. | 5 | | Liz Tuddenham |
| 8 Apr 24 | Re: German state gov. dicthing Windows for Linux, 30k workers migrating. | 4 | | Don Y |
| 8 Apr 24 | Re: German state gov. dicthing Windows for Linux, 30k workers migrating. | 1 | | John Larkin |
| 9 Apr 24 | Re: German state gov. dicthing Windows for Linux, 30k workers migrating. | 2 | | Don Y |
| 9 Apr 24 | Re: German state gov. dicthing Windows for Linux, 30k workers migrating. | 1 | | Don Y |
| 8 Apr 24 | Re: German state gov. dicthing Windows for Linux, 30k workers migrating. | 2 | | Joe Gwinn |
| 8 Apr 24 | Re: German state gov. dicthing Windows for Linux, 30k workers migrating. | 1 | | Don Y |
| 8 Apr 24 | MIT 3D printed key components of mass-spectrometer | 6 | | Jan Panteltje |
| 8 Apr 24 | Re: MIT 3D printed key components of mass-spectrometer | 5 | | Martin Brown |
| 8 Apr 24 | Re: MIT 3D printed key components of mass-spectrometer | 4 | | John Larkin |
| 8 Apr 24 | Re: MIT 3D printed key components of mass-spectrometer | 1 | | Bill Sloman |
| 9 Apr 24 | Re: MIT 3D printed key components of mass-spectrometer | 1 | | Phil Hobbs |
| 9 Apr 24 | Re: MIT 3D printed key components of mass-spectrometer | 1 | | Martin Brown |
| 9 Apr 24 | Re: China: Government Starts Phasing Out American Processors, Operating Systems on Government Computers | 1 | | Bill Sloman |
| 7 Apr 24 | Scope Probes off Ebay | 12 | | Cursitor Doom |
| 7 Apr 24 | Re: Scope Probes off Ebay | 6 | | Cursitor Doom |
| 7 Apr 24 | Re: Scope Probes off Ebay | 5 | | John Larkin |
| 8 Apr 24 | Re: Scope Probes off Ebay | 4 | | Cursitor Doom |
| 8 Apr 24 | Re: Scope Probes off Ebay | 3 | | Jeroen Belleman |
| 8 Apr 24 | Re: Scope Probes off Ebay | 1 | | John Larkin |
| 9 Apr 24 | Re: Scope Probes off Ebay | 1 | | Cursitor Doom |
| 8 Apr 24 | Re: Scope Probes off Ebay | 1 | | Klaus Vestergaard Kragelund |
| 8 Apr 24 | Re: Scope Probes off Ebay | 4 | | John Larkin |
| 8 Apr 24 | Re: Scope Probes off Ebay | 3 | | Klaus Vestergaard Kragelund |
| 9 Apr 24 | Re: Scope Probes off Ebay | 2 | | Klaus Vestergaard Kragelund |
| 9 Apr 24 | Re: Scope Probes off Ebay | 1 | | john larkin |
| 8 Apr 24 | Re: China: Government Starts Phasing Out American Processors, Operating Systems on Government Computers | 1 | | Bill Sloman |
| 31 Mar 24 | Re: silicone grease | 5 | | Wanderer |
| 31 Mar 24 | Re: silicone grease | 2 | | wmartin |
| 1 Apr 24 | Re: silicone grease | 1 | | Bill Sloman |
| 1 Apr 24 | Re: silicone grease | 2 | | piglet |
| 6 Apr 24 | Re: silicone grease | 1 | | John Larkin |
| 5 Apr 24 | OT: Dark energy might not be constant at all | 5 | | Jan Panteltje |
| 5 Apr 24 | Re: OT: Dark energy might not be constant at all | 4 | | Martin Brown |
| 5 Apr 24 | Re: OT: Dark energy might not be constant at all | 1 | | Jan Panteltje |
| 5 Apr 24 | Re: OT: Dark energy might not be constant at all | 1 | | Bill Sloman |
| 6 Apr 24 | Re: OT: Dark energy might not be constant at all | 1 | | Martin Brown |
| 6 Apr 24 | Re: China: Government Starts Phasing Out American Processors, Operating Systems on Government Computers | 1 | | Bill Sloman |
| 5 Apr 24 | Re: China: Government Starts Phasing Out American Processors, Operating Systems on Government Computers | 2 | | Bill Sloman |
| 6 Apr 24 | Re: China: Government Starts Phasing Out American Processors, Operating Systems on Government Computers | 1 | | Bill Sloman |
| 30 Mar 24 | State of the Art engineering | 2 | | Don Y |
| 6 Apr 24 | Re: State of the Art engineering | 1 | | Computer Nerd Kev |
| 5 Apr 24 | A new type of fridge, maybe also for cooling electronics? | 4 | | Jan Panteltje |
| 5 Apr 24 | Re: A new type of fridge, maybe also for cooling electronics? | 3 | | Clive Arthur |