Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- EVIDENCE THAT I AM CORRECT

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Sujet : Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- EVIDENCE THAT I AM CORRECT
De : mikko.levanto (at) *nospam* iki.fi (Mikko)
Groupes : comp.theory
Date : 29. Jun 2025, 10:14:06
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On 2025-06-28 13:02:02 +0000, olcott said:

On 6/28/2025 3:50 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
Op 28.jun.2025 om 01:30 schreef olcott:
On 6/26/2025 4:16 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
Op 25.jun.2025 om 16:09 schreef olcott:
On 6/25/2025 2:59 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
Op 24.jun.2025 om 16:06 schreef olcott:
 None of the code in HHH can possibly cause DDD correctly
simulated by HHH to reach its own simulated "return" statement.
 Yes, exactly, that is the bug.
 
 Recursive emulation is only a tiny bit more complicated
than recursion yet no one here seems to have a clue.
Do you know what recursion is?
(If you don't that would explain a lot)
As usual irrelevant claims without evidence. No rebuttal.
 Ah so you don't know what recursion is.
 
HHH has a bug that makes that it does not recognise the halting behaviour of the program specified in the input.
 If you don't even know what recursion is then
you are totally unqualified to review these things.
 
Even a beginner can see that the input is a pointer to code, including the code to abort and halt. But HHH is programmed to ignore the conditional branch instructions, when simulating itself, so it thinks that there is an infinite loop when there are only a finite number of recursions.
But Olcott does not understand that not all recursions are infinite.
 When the measure is whether or not DDD correctly
simulated by HHH can possibly reach its own "return"
instruction final halt state nothing inside HHH can
possibly have any effect on this.
Programs that report about their own behaviour are not useful and
are interesting only if you can derive someting like a paradox.
--
Mikko

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15 Jun 25 * HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- EVIDENCE THAT I AM CORRECT117olcott
16 Jun 25 +* Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- EVIDENCE THAT I AM CORRECT41Richard Damon
16 Jun 25 i`* Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- EVIDENCE THAT I AM CORRECT40olcott
16 Jun 25 i +* Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- EVIDENCE THAT I AM CORRECT2Fred. Zwarts
16 Jun 25 i i`- Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- EVIDENCE THAT I AM CORRECT1olcott
16 Jun 25 i +* Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- EVIDENCE THAT I AM CORRECT13Richard Damon
16 Jun 25 i i+* Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- EVIDENCE THAT I AM CORRECT10olcott
17 Jun 25 i ii`* Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- EVIDENCE THAT I AM CORRECT9Richard Damon
17 Jun 25 i ii +* Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- EVIDENCE THAT I AM CORRECT3olcott
17 Jun 25 i ii i+- Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- EVIDENCE THAT I AM CORRECT1Fred. Zwarts
18 Jun 25 i ii i`- Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- EVIDENCE THAT I AM CORRECT1Richard Damon
17 Jun 25 i ii `* Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- EVIDENCE THAT I AM CORRECT5olcott
17 Jun 25 i ii  +* Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- EVIDENCE THAT I AM CORRECT3Fred. Zwarts
17 Jun 25 i ii  i`* Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- EVIDENCE THAT I AM CORRECT2olcott
18 Jun 25 i ii  i `- Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- EVIDENCE THAT I AM CORRECT1Fred. Zwarts
18 Jun 25 i ii  `- Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- EVIDENCE THAT I AM CORRECT1Richard Damon
16 Jun 25 i i`* Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- EVIDENCE THAT I AM CORRECT !!!2olcott
17 Jun 25 i i `- Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- EVIDENCE THAT I AM CORRECT !!!1Fred. Zwarts
16 Jun 25 i `* Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- EVIDENCE THAT I AM CORRECT24Mikko
16 Jun 25 i  `* Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- EVIDENCE THAT I AM CORRECT23olcott
17 Jun 25 i   +* Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- EVIDENCE THAT I AM CORRECT18Fred. Zwarts
17 Jun 25 i   i+* Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- EVIDENCE THAT I AM CORRECT16olcott
18 Jun 25 i   ii+* Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- EVIDENCE THAT I AM CORRECT14Richard Damon
18 Jun 25 i   iii`* Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- EVIDENCE THAT I AM CORRECT13olcott
19 Jun 25 i   iii +- Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- EVIDENCE THAT I AM CORRECT1Richard Damon
19 Jun 25 i   iii `* Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- EVIDENCE THAT I AM CORRECT11Mikko
19 Jun 25 i   iii  `* Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- EVIDENCE THAT I AM CORRECT10olcott
20 Jun 25 i   iii   +- Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- EVIDENCE THAT I AM CORRECT1Richard Damon
20 Jun 25 i   iii   `* Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- EVIDENCE THAT I AM CORRECT8Mikko
20 Jun 25 i   iii    `* Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- EVIDENCE THAT I AM CORRECT7olcott
21 Jun 25 i   iii     `* Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- EVIDENCE THAT I AM CORRECT6Mikko
21 Jun 25 i   iii      `* Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- EVIDENCE THAT I AM CORRECT5olcott
21 Jun 25 i   iii       +- Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- EVIDENCE THAT I AM CORRECT1Richard Damon
22 Jun 25 i   iii       `* Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- EVIDENCE THAT I AM CORRECT3Mikko
22 Jun 25 i   iii        `* Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- EVIDENCE THAT I AM CORRECT2olcott
23 Jun 25 i   iii         `- Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- EVIDENCE THAT I AM CORRECT1Mikko
18 Jun 25 i   ii`- Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- EVIDENCE THAT I AM CORRECT1Fred. Zwarts
18 Jun 25 i   i`- Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- EVIDENCE THAT I AM CORRECT1Fred. Zwarts
17 Jun 25 i   `* Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- EVIDENCE THAT I AM CORRECT4Mikko
17 Jun 25 i    `* Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- EVIDENCE THAT I AM CORRECT3olcott
18 Jun 25 i     `* Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- EVIDENCE THAT I AM CORRECT2Mikko
18 Jun 25 i      `- Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- EVIDENCE THAT I AM CORRECT1olcott
16 Jun 25 +* Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- EVIDENCE THAT I AM CORRECT2Mikko
16 Jun 25 i`- Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- EVIDENCE THAT I AM CORRECT1olcott
16 Jun 25 `* Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- EVIDENCE THAT I AM CORRECT73Fred. Zwarts
16 Jun 25  +* Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- EVIDENCE THAT I AM CORRECT4olcott
17 Jun 25  i`* Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- EVIDENCE THAT I AM CORRECT3Fred. Zwarts
17 Jun 25  i `* Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- EVIDENCE THAT I AM CORRECT2olcott
18 Jun 25  i  `- Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- EVIDENCE THAT I AM CORRECT1Fred. Zwarts
16 Jun 25  `* Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- EVIDENCE THAT I AM CORRECT68olcott
17 Jun 25   `* Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- EVIDENCE THAT I AM CORRECT67Fred. Zwarts
17 Jun 25    `* Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- EVIDENCE THAT I AM CORRECT66olcott
18 Jun 25     `* Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- EVIDENCE THAT I AM CORRECT65Fred. Zwarts
18 Jun 25      `* Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- EVIDENCE THAT I AM CORRECT64olcott
19 Jun 25       `* Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- EVIDENCE THAT I AM CORRECT63Fred. Zwarts
19 Jun 25        `* Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- EVIDENCE THAT I AM CORRECT62olcott
20 Jun 25         `* Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- EVIDENCE THAT I AM CORRECT61Fred. Zwarts
20 Jun 25          `* Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- EVIDENCE THAT I AM CORRECT60olcott
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21 Jun 25           i   `* Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- PROOF THAT I AM CORRECT7Richard Damon
21 Jun 25           i    `* Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- PROOF THAT I AM CORRECT6olcott
22 Jun 25           i     `* Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- PROOF THAT I AM CORRECT5Richard Damon
22 Jun 25           i      `* Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- PROOF THAT I AM CORRECT4olcott
22 Jun 25           i       `* Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- PROOF THAT I AM CORRECT3Richard Damon
22 Jun 25           i        `* Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- PROOF THAT I AM CORRECT2olcott
23 Jun 25           i         `- Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- PROOF THAT I AM CORRECT1Richard Damon
22 Jun 25           `* Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- EVIDENCE THAT I AM CORRECT48Fred. Zwarts
22 Jun 25            `* Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- EVIDENCE THAT I AM CORRECT47olcott
23 Jun 25             `* Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- EVIDENCE THAT I AM CORRECT46Fred. Zwarts
23 Jun 25              +* Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- EVIDENCE THAT I AM CORRECT40olcott
24 Jun 25              i`* Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- EVIDENCE THAT I AM CORRECT39Fred. Zwarts
24 Jun 25              i `* Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- EVIDENCE THAT I AM CORRECT38olcott
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25 Jun 25              i  i`* Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- EVIDENCE THAT I AM CORRECT17olcott
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28 Jun09:47              i  i    +* Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- EVIDENCE THAT I AM CORRECT7Fred. Zwarts
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30 Jun08:43              i  i    i  `- Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- EVIDENCE THAT I AM CORRECT1Fred. Zwarts
28 Jun12:56              i  i    `* Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- EVIDENCE THAT I AM CORRECT6Mikko
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30 Jun10:40              i  i        `- Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- EVIDENCE THAT I AM CORRECT1Mikko
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25 Jun 25              i   `* Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- EVIDENCE THAT I AM CORRECT18olcott
26 Jun 25              i    `* Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- EVIDENCE THAT I AM CORRECT17Fred. Zwarts
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28 Jun09:50              i      `* Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- EVIDENCE THAT I AM CORRECT15Fred. Zwarts
28 Jun14:02              i       `* Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- EVIDENCE THAT I AM CORRECT14olcott
29 Jun10:14              i        +* Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- EVIDENCE THAT I AM CORRECT3Mikko
29 Jun15:37              i        i`* Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- EVIDENCE THAT I AM CORRECT2olcott
29 Jun11:38              i        `* Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- EVIDENCE THAT I AM CORRECT10Fred. Zwarts
24 Jun 25              `* Re: HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input as non-halting --- EVIDENCE THAT I AM CORRECT5Mikko

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