Re: My reviewers think that halt deciders must report on the behavior of their caller

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Sujet : Re: My reviewers think that halt deciders must report on the behavior of their caller
De : mikko.levanto (at) *nospam* iki.fi (Mikko)
Groupes : comp.theory
Date : 09. Jul 2025, 09:22:02
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On 2025-07-08 14:21:47 +0000, olcott said:

On 7/8/2025 2:44 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 2025-07-07 14:15:54 +0000, olcott said:
 
On 7/7/2025 3:37 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 2025-07-07 03:12:30 +0000, olcott said:
 
On 7/6/2025 9:09 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
On 7/6/25 4:06 PM, olcott wrote:
On 7/6/2025 12:00 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
On 7/6/25 11:19 AM, olcott wrote:
 void DDD()
{
   HHH(DDD);
   return;
}
 *EVERY BOT FIGURES THIS OUT ON ITS OWN*
 No, it just isn't smart enough to detect that you lied in your premise.
 
There is no way that DDD simulated by HHH (according
to the semantics of the C programming language)
can possibly reach its own "return" statement final
halt state.
 And there is no way for HHH to correctly simulate its input and return an answer
 
 You insistence that a non-terminating input be simulated
until non-existent completion is especially nuts because
you have been told about this dozens of times.
 What the F is wrong with you?
 
 It seems you don't understand those words.
 I don't say that the decider needs to simulate the input to completion, but that it needs to be able to actually PROVE that if this exact input WAS given to a correct simultor (which won't be itself, since it isn't doing the complete simulation) will run for an unbounded number of steps.
 No decider is ever allowed to report on anything
besides the actual behavior that its input actually
specifies.
 Unless you can quote some respectable author your prohibitions are
meaningless.
 To people that never had any actual understanding and
can only parrot textbooks. They need to see this things
in other textbooks.
 People who can parrot textbooks know better than people who cannot.
That you can't when you should shows that you can't even parrot
textbooks.
 I just reverse-engineer what the truth actually is.
*From the bottom of page 319 has been adapted to this*
https://www.liarparadox.org/Peter_Linz_HP_317-320.pdf
 When Ĥ is applied to ⟨Ĥ⟩
Ĥ.q0 ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* Ĥ.embedded_H ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* Ĥ.∞
     ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ simulated by Ĥ.embedded_H reaches
     its simulated final halt state of ⟨Ĥ.qn⟩
 Ĥ.q0 ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* Ĥ.embedded_H ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* Ĥ.qn
     ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ simulated by Ĥ.embedded_H cannot possibly
     reach its simulated final halt state of ⟨Ĥ.qn⟩
The above does not make sense. There are one subordinate clause
and two nmain clauses but they are not linked to a sentence.
Whithout a sentence nothing is said.
--
Mikko

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4 Jul21:53 i i     `* Re: My reviewers think that halt deciders must report on the behavior of their caller95Richard Damon
4 Jul23:11 i i      +* Re: My reviewers think that halt deciders must report on the behavior of their caller84olcott
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7 Jul03:09 i i      i         +* Re: My reviewers think that halt deciders must report on the behavior of their caller72Richard Damon
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9 Jul12:32 i i      i         i ii  `- Re: My reviewers think that halt deciders must report on the behavior of their caller1Richard Damon
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8 Jul16:08 i i      i         i i i    `* Re: My reviewers think that halt deciders must report on the behavior of their caller18olcott
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8 Jul17:19 i i      i         i i i     i+* Re: My reviewers think that halt deciders must report on the behavior of their caller2olcott
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8 Jul09:17 i i      i         i i `- Re: My reviewers think that halt deciders must report on the behavior of their caller1Fred. Zwarts
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9 Jul09:22 i i      i         i i   `* Re: My reviewers think that halt deciders must report on the behavior of their caller4Mikko
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8 Jul03:52 i i      i         i      `* Re: My reviewers think that halt deciders must report on the behavior of their caller15olcott
8 Jul08:55 i i      i         i       +* Re: My reviewers think that halt deciders must report on the behavior of their caller4Fred. Zwarts
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9 Jul10:04 i i      i         i       i `* Re: My reviewers think that halt deciders must report on the behavior of their caller2Fred. Zwarts
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8 Jul12:18 i i      i         i       `* Re: My reviewers think that halt deciders must report on the behavior of their caller10Richard Damon
8 Jul16:17 i i      i         i        `* Re: My reviewers think that halt deciders must report on the behavior of their caller9olcott
9 Jul09:58 i i      i         i         +* Re: My reviewers think that halt deciders must report on the behavior of their caller7Fred. Zwarts
9 Jul14:02 i i      i         i         i`* Re: My reviewers think that halt deciders must report on the behavior of their caller6olcott
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9 Jul15:06 i i      i         i         i  `* Re: My reviewers think that halt deciders must report on the behavior of their caller4olcott
9 Jul16:42 i i      i         i         i   `* Re: My reviewers think that halt deciders must report on the behavior of their caller3joes
9 Jul17:06 i i      i         i         i    `* Re: My reviewers think that halt deciders must report on the behavior of their caller2olcott
10 Jul11:12 i i      i         i         i     `- Re: My reviewers think that halt deciders must report on the behavior of their caller1joes
9 Jul13:00 i i      i         i         `- Re: My reviewers think that halt deciders must report on the behavior of their caller1Richard Damon
7 Jul09:34 i i      i         `- Re: My reviewers think that halt deciders must report on the behavior of their caller1Mikko
4 Jul23:15 i i      +* Re: My reviewers think that halt deciders must report on the behavior of their caller9olcott
5 Jul08:39 i i      i+* Re: My reviewers think that halt deciders must report on the behavior of their caller5Fred. Zwarts
5 Jul17:12 i i      ii`* Re: My reviewers think that halt deciders must report on the behavior of their caller4olcott
6 Jul10:24 i i      ii `* Re: My reviewers think that halt deciders must report on the behavior of their caller3Fred. Zwarts
6 Jul16:36 i i      ii  `* Re: My reviewers think that halt deciders must report on the behavior of their caller2olcott
7 Jul08:42 i i      ii   `- Re: My reviewers think that halt deciders must report on the behavior of their caller1Fred. Zwarts
5 Jul14:20 i i      i`* Re: My reviewers think that halt deciders must report on the behavior of their caller3Richard Damon
5 Jul16:11 i i      `- Re: My reviewers think that halt deciders must report on the behavior of their caller1olcott
4 Jun 25 i `- Re: My reviewers think that halt deciders must report on the behavior of their caller1Richard Damon
4 Jun 25 +- Re: My reviewers think that halt deciders must report on the behavior of their caller1Richard Damon
4 Jun 25 `* Re: My reviewers think that halt deciders must report on the behavior of their caller61Mikko

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