Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof

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Sujet : Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof
De : agisaak (at) *nospam* gm.invalid (André G. Isaak)
Groupes : comp.theory
Date : 16. Jul 2025, 03:33:28
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On 2025-07-15 20:22, olcott wrote:
On 7/15/2025 9:18 PM, André G. Isaak wrote:
On 2025-07-15 20:13, olcott wrote:
On 7/15/2025 9:01 PM, André G. Isaak wrote:
On 2025-07-15 19:55, olcott wrote:
On 7/15/2025 8:44 PM, André G. Isaak wrote:
On 2025-07-15 19:37, olcott wrote:
On 7/15/2025 8:17 PM, André G. Isaak wrote:
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The is perfectly compositional. If we start with things that are true, then the result is true. It says nothing about what we get when we start with things that are false.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truth_table#Logical_implication
p=false q=false then p → q is true.
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What does that have to do with anything? That demonstrates that material implication is not falsehood preserving. It says nothing about whether it is truth preserving.
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Falsehood is an aspect of truth.
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Falshood-preserving and truth-preserving are two different properties. An operator can be one without being the other (and I gave you a link to their definitions). All you're demonstrating is that you have absolutely no clue what the terms you are using mean, which tends to invalidate everything you say.
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André
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You still didn't answer the question about why
the law of non-contradiction doesn't over-rule
the POE.
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It doesn't override it. The law of non-contradiction states that A cannot be both true and false.
 As a demonstration of the principle, consider two contradictory statements—"All lemons are yellow" and "Not all lemons are yellow"—
*and suppose that both are true*
 Then we have shown that you just had a psychotic break from reality.
No, it simply means we have posited a falsehood. Logic deals with false statements as much as it deals with true statements.
(and note that the above two sentences are not contradictory since they are both true in a universe which does not contain any lemons. Your scope of negation is off).
André
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