Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH1

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Sujet : Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH1
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Date : 30. Mar 2025, 09:12:41
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Am Sat, 29 Mar 2025 16:46:26 -0500 schrieb olcott:
On 3/29/2025 3:14 PM, dbush wrote:
On 3/29/2025 4:01 PM, olcott wrote:

We can know that when this adapted UTM simulates a finite number of
steps of its input that this finite number of steps were simulated
correctly.
And therefore does not do a correct UTM simulation that matches the
behavior of the direct execution as it is incomplete.
It is dishonest to expect non-terminating inputs to complete.
A complete simulation of a nonterminating input doesn't halt.

2) changing the input is not allowed
The input is unchanged. There never was any indication that the input
was in any way changed.
False, if the starting function calls UTM and UTM changes, you're
changing the input.
When UTM1 is a UTM that has been adapted to only simulate a finite
number of steps
So not an UTM.

and input D calls UTM1 then the behavior of D simulated
by UTM1 never reaches its final halt state.
When D is simulated by ordinary UTM2 that D does not call Then D reaches
its final halt state.
Doesn't matter if it calls it, but if the UTM halts.

Changing the input is not allowed.
I never changed the input. D always calls UTM1.
thus is the same input to UTM1 as it is to UTM2.
You changed UTM1, which is part of the input D.

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Am Sat, 20 Jul 2024 12:35:31 +0000 schrieb WM in sci.math:
It is not guaranteed that n+1 exists for every n.

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20 Mar 25 * DDD correctly emulated by HHH --- Correct Emulation Defined496olcott
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21 Mar 25 i +* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH --- Correct Emulation Defined448Richard Damon
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21 Mar 25 i i +* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH --- Correct Emulation Defined443Mikko
21 Mar 25 i i i`* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH --- Correct Emulation Defined442olcott
22 Mar 25 i i i +* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH --- Correct Emulation Defined440Richard Damon
22 Mar 25 i i i i`* DDD correctly emulated by HHH --- Correct Emulation Defined 2439olcott
22 Mar 25 i i i i +* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH --- Correct Emulation Defined 2434Richard Damon
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22 Mar 25 i i i i ii`- Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH --- Correct Emulation Defined 21Mikko
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27 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i   `* Re: III correctly emulated by EEE ---385Richard Damon
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28 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i       i   `* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH1322dbush
28 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i       i    `* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH1321olcott
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28 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i       i      `* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH1319olcott
28 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i       i       +* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH160dbush
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28 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i       i       i +* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH142dbush
28 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i       i       i i`* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH141olcott
28 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i       i       i i +* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH137dbush
28 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i       i       i i i`* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH136olcott
28 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i       i       i i i +* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH111joes
28 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i       i       i i i i`* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH110olcott
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28 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i       i       i i i i i`* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH12olcott
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28 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i       i       i i i +- Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH11Richard Damon
28 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i       i       i i i `* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH123dbush
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28 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i       i       `* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH1258Richard Damon
27 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i       +* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH17Fred. Zwarts
27 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i       +* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH18joes
28 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i       `- Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH11Richard Damon
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21 Mar 25 i i `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH --- Correct Emulation Defined3Richard Damon
21 Mar 25 i `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH --- Correct Emulation Defined7Mikko
20 Mar 25 +* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH --- Correct Emulation Defined3Richard Damon
22 Mar 25 `* DDD correctly emulated by EEE --- Correct Emulation Defined35olcott

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