Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD

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Sujet : Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD
De : richard (at) *nospam* damon-family.org (Richard Damon)
Groupes : comp.theory
Date : 05. Dec 2024, 02:31:45
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On 12/4/24 8:06 PM, olcott wrote:
On 12/4/2024 6:11 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
On 12/4/24 9:27 AM, olcott wrote:
On 12/3/2024 5:39 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
On 12/3/24 6:08 PM, olcott wrote:
On 12/3/2024 3:03 AM, joes wrote:
Am Mon, 02 Dec 2024 20:48:49 -0600 schrieb olcott:
On 11/28/2024 1:48 PM, joes wrote:
>
You said:
  >>> HHH can't simulate itself.
That is WRONG !!!
HHH DOES EMULATE ITSELF PROVING THAT IT CAN EMULATE ITSELF.
We know that HHH halts. It doesn't simulate itself halting.
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>
Please try and explain how you are not dishonest what you
try to change the subject from my rebuttal of your statement:
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 >>> HHH can't simulate itself.
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That HHH does emulate itself emulating DDD proves
THAT IT CAN DO THIS.
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But only if your think that wrong answer can be right.
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I did not mention anything about answers my entire
scope is that HHH does emulate itself emulating DDD
thus conclusively proving that HHH can emulated itself
emulating DDD.
>
Whenever you go out-of-scope like this it surely
seems dishonest to me.
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But the behaivor that HHH shows that it has *IS* an "answer",
 DDD emulated by any HHH according to the semantics of
the x86 language cannot possibly reach its "ret" instruction
whether HHH aborts this emulation after N steps or never aborts.
 >
Just a nonsense sentence, since HHH can't emulate HHH as it isn't given it, so it can't emulate what it doesn't have it.
If it access the code from "global memory" you are just admitting that HHH isn't the pure function you require it to be.
Even if we fix that and add it to the input, to emulate it per the semantic of the x86 language, it can not abort its emulation, or it violates that semantics (since the x86 language never "aborts" a valid program, which DDD/HHH should be. Thus, the ONLY HHH that could meet that claim would be an HHH that NEVER stops, and thus NEVER returns, but your claim is about an HHH that returns an answer, and thus you are proven to just be a stupid liar that doesn't knwo what he is talking about and is just misusing the words he is saying.
Sorry, you are just adding more nails to the coffin of your repuration with every new lie you add to your history.

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17 Nov 24 * HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar250olcott
17 Nov 24 +* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar25Richard Damon
17 Nov 24 i`* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar24olcott
18 Nov 24 i `* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar23Richard Damon
18 Nov 24 i  `* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar22olcott
18 Nov 24 i   `* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar21Richard Damon
18 Nov 24 i    `* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar20olcott
18 Nov 24 i     +* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar3Richard Damon
18 Nov 24 i     i`* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar2olcott
18 Nov 24 i     i `- Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar1Richard Damon
18 Nov 24 i     `* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar16joes
18 Nov 24 i      `* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar15olcott
18 Nov 24 i       `* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar14Richard Damon
18 Nov 24 i        `* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar13olcott
18 Nov 24 i         `* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar12Richard Damon
18 Nov 24 i          `* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar11olcott
18 Nov 24 i           +* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar5Richard Damon
18 Nov 24 i           i`* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar4olcott
18 Nov 24 i           i `* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar3Richard Damon
19 Nov 24 i           i  `* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar2olcott
19 Nov 24 i           i   `- Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar1Richard Damon
18 Nov 24 i           `* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar5Richard Damon
18 Nov 24 i            `* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar4olcott
18 Nov 24 i             `* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar3Richard Damon
19 Nov 24 i              `* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar2olcott
19 Nov 24 i               `- Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar1Richard Damon
17 Nov 24 +* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar53Richard Damon
17 Nov 24 i`* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar52olcott
18 Nov 24 i `* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar51Richard Damon
18 Nov 24 i  `* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar50olcott
18 Nov 24 i   `* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar49Richard Damon
18 Nov 24 i    `* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar48olcott
18 Nov 24 i     `* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar47Richard Damon
18 Nov 24 i      `* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar46olcott
18 Nov 24 i       +* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar12Mikko
18 Nov 24 i       i`* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar11olcott
18 Nov 24 i       i +* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar4Richard Damon
19 Nov 24 i       i i`* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar3olcott
19 Nov 24 i       i i `* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar2Richard Damon
19 Nov 24 i       i i  `- Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar1Mikko
19 Nov 24 i       i `* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar6Mikko
20 Nov 24 i       i  `* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar5olcott
20 Nov 24 i       i   `* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar4Mikko
21 Nov 24 i       i    `* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar3olcott
21 Nov 24 i       i     +- Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar1Richard Damon
6 Dec 24 i       i     `- Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar1Mikko
18 Nov 24 i       +- Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar1Richard Damon
18 Nov 24 i       `* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar32Richard Damon
18 Nov 24 i        `* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar31olcott
18 Nov 24 i         `* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar30Richard Damon
18 Nov 24 i          `* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar29olcott
18 Nov 24 i           `* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar28Richard Damon
18 Nov 24 i            `* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar27olcott
18 Nov 24 i             +* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar3Richard Damon
19 Nov 24 i             i`* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar2olcott
19 Nov 24 i             i `- Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar1Richard Damon
19 Nov 24 i             `* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar23joes
19 Nov 24 i              `* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar22olcott
19 Nov 24 i               +* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar18joes
19 Nov 24 i               i`* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar17olcott
20 Nov 24 i               i `* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar16Richard Damon
20 Nov 24 i               i  `* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar15olcott
20 Nov 24 i               i   `* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar14Richard Damon
21 Nov 24 i               i    `* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar13olcott
21 Nov 24 i               i     `* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar12Richard Damon
21 Nov 24 i               i      `* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar11olcott
21 Nov 24 i               i       `* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar10Richard Damon
21 Nov 24 i               i        `* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar9olcott
21 Nov 24 i               i         `* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar8Richard Damon
21 Nov 24 i               i          `* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar7olcott
21 Nov 24 i               i           `* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar6Richard Damon
21 Nov 24 i               i            `* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar5olcott
21 Nov 24 i               i             +* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar3joes
21 Nov 24 i               i             i`* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar2olcott
22 Nov 24 i               i             i `- Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar1Richard Damon
22 Nov 24 i               i             `- Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar1Richard Damon
20 Nov 24 i               `* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar3Richard Damon
20 Nov 24 i                `* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar2olcott
20 Nov 24 i                 `- Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar1Richard Damon
18 Nov 24 `* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar171Mikko
18 Nov 24  `* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar170olcott
18 Nov 24   +* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar3Richard Damon
18 Nov 24   i`* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar2olcott
19 Nov 24   i `- Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar1Richard Damon
19 Nov 24   `* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar166Mikko
20 Nov 24    `* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar165olcott
20 Nov 24     `* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar164Mikko
21 Nov 24      `* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar163olcott
21 Nov 24       +* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar35Richard Damon
21 Nov 24       i`* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar34olcott
21 Nov 24       i `* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar33Richard Damon
21 Nov 24       i  `* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar32olcott
21 Nov 24       i   +* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar30joes
21 Nov 24       i   i`* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar29olcott
22 Nov 24       i   i +- Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar1Richard Damon
22 Nov 24       i   i `* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar27joes
22 Nov 24       i   i  `* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar26olcott
22 Nov 24       i   i   +* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar23joes
22 Nov 24       i   i   i`* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar22olcott
22 Nov 24       i   i   i `* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar21joes
22 Nov 24       i   i   i  `* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar20olcott
22 Nov 24       i   i   `* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar2Richard Damon
22 Nov 24       i   `- Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar1Richard Damon
21 Nov 24       `* Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar127Mikko

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