Sujet : Re: Computable Functions --- finite string transformation rules
De : richard (at) *nospam* damon-family.org (Richard Damon)
Groupes : comp.theoryDate : 25. Apr 2025, 00:07:49
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On 4/24/25 3:41 PM, olcott wrote:
On 4/24/2025 2:12 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
Op 24.apr.2025 om 19:13 schreef olcott:
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HHH correctly determines through mathematical induction that
DD emulated by HHH (according to the finite string transformations
specified by the x86 language) cannot possibly reach its final
halt state in an infinite number of steps.
No, HHH has a bug which makes that it fails to see that there is only a finite recursion,
*You are technically incompetent on this point*
When the finite string transformation rules of the
x86 language are applied to the input to HHH(DD)
THIS DD CANNOT POSSIBLY REACH ITS FINAL HALT STATE
not even after an infinite number of emulated steps.
When the defined finite string trasnsformation rules, thos of the x86 language, are applied to this input, completed with the definitions from Halt7.c as stipulated, we see that DD calls HHH(DD), that it will spend some time emulating DDm then it will give up and return 0 to DD which will then halt.
THe fact that HHH doesn't complete this operation, doesn't mean that it isn't what the x86 language says will happen, just that HHH doesn't know that is what happens.
THus, HHH just fails to know what to do, and because you were so stupid as to program it with unsound logic, it gets that wrong answer.
Your problem is you confuse the partial, and thus INCORRECT emulatation done by HHH with the correct and complete emulation specified by the x86 language and the full input which includes the code of HHH from Halt7.c
int DD()
{
int Halt_Status = HHH(DD);
if (Halt_Status)
HERE: goto HERE;
return Halt_Status;
}
_DD()
[00002133] 55 push ebp ; housekeeping
[00002134] 8bec mov ebp,esp ; housekeeping
[00002136] 51 push ecx ; make space for local
[00002137] 6833210000 push 00002133 ; push DD
[0000213c] e882f4ffff call 000015c3 ; call HHH(DD)
[00002141] 83c404 add esp,+04
[00002144] 8945fc mov [ebp-04],eax
[00002147] 837dfc00 cmp dword [ebp-04],+00
[0000214b] 7402 jz 0000214f
[0000214d] ebfe jmp 0000214d
[0000214f] 8b45fc mov eax,[ebp-04]
[00002152] 8be5 mov esp,ebp
[00002154] 5d pop ebp
[00002155] c3 ret
Size in bytes:(0035) [00002155]
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