Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof

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Sujet : Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof
De : noreply (at) *nospam* example.org (joes)
Groupes : comp.theory
Date : 11. Jul 2025, 16:50:50
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Am Fri, 11 Jul 2025 10:30:35 -0500 schrieb olcott:
On 7/11/2025 3:43 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 2025-07-10 14:09:55 +0000, olcott said:
On 7/10/2025 4:05 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 2025-07-09 14:16:44 +0000, olcott said:
On 7/9/2025 9:04 AM, joes wrote:
Am Wed, 09 Jul 2025 07:31:59 -0500 schrieb olcott:
On 7/9/2025 3:29 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 2025-07-08 14:18:32 +0000, olcott said:
On 7/8/2025 2:41 AM, Mikko wrote:
>
True conclusion from false premeises is fairly common. But that
is not relevant.
It proves that logic is fundamentally incorrect on this point.
Logic must be a sequence of truth preserving operations or it is
wrong.
Should only false conclusions be derivable from false premises?
>
False premises must be immediately rejected.
>
Often one must work with sentences that are not known to be true but
not known to be false, either.
>
Then contradiction proves falsehood.
 
That's right: if a contradiction is inferred then at least one of the
preimises is false. But that does not tell which premise is false.
 
 
*This Wikipedia quote*
 >    the principle of explosion is the law according to which *any
 >    statement can be proven from a contradiction*
 
Here is the exact meaning of:
*any statement can be proven from a contradiction*
∀x (⊥ ⊢ x).
 
Is proven to be incorrect in that it diverges from truth preserving
operations.

How so? If A and ~A are both true, B also is.

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Am Sat, 20 Jul 2024 12:35:31 +0000 schrieb WM in sci.math:
It is not guaranteed that n+1 exists for every n.

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4 Jul 25 * Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof53olcott
4 Jul 25 +* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof9Richard Damon
4 Jul 25 i`* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof8olcott
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6 Jul 25 i i +- Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof1Richard Damon
6 Jul 25 i i `- Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof1Fred. Zwarts
5 Jul 25 i `* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof3Richard Damon
5 Jul 25 i  `* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof2olcott
6 Jul 25 i   `- Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof1Richard Damon
5 Jul 25 +- Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof1Mikko
5 Jul 25 `* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof42Mikko
5 Jul 25  `* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof41olcott
6 Jul 25   `* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof40Mikko
6 Jul 25    `* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof39olcott
6 Jul 25     +- Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof1Richard Damon
7 Jul 25     `* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof37Mikko
7 Jul 25      `* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof36olcott
8 Jul 25       +- Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof1Richard Damon
8 Jul 25       `* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof34Mikko
8 Jul 25        `* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof33olcott
9 Jul 25         +* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof31Mikko
9 Jul 25         i`* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof30olcott
9 Jul 25         i +* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof15joes
9 Jul 25         i i+* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof13olcott
10 Jul 25         i ii+* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof11Mikko
10 Jul 25         i iii`* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof10olcott
11 Jul 25         i iii `* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof9Mikko
11 Jul 25         i iii  `* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof8olcott
11 Jul 25         i iii   +* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof6joes
11 Jul 25         i iii   i`* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof5olcott
11 Jul 25         i iii   i +- Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof1Richard Damon
12 Jul 25         i iii   i `* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof3joes
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11 Jul 25         i iii   `- Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof1Richard Damon
10 Jul 25         i ii`- Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof1Richard Damon
9 Jul 25         i i`- Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof1olcott
10 Jul 25         i `* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof14Mikko
10 Jul 25         i  `* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof13olcott
10 Jul 25         i   +* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof2olcott
11 Jul 25         i   i`- Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof1Richard Damon
11 Jul 25         i   +* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof9Richard Damon
11 Jul 25         i   i`* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof8André G. Isaak
11 Jul 25         i   i `* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof7olcott
11 Jul 25         i   i  +* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof5André G. Isaak
11 Jul 25         i   i  i`* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof4olcott
12 Jul 25         i   i  i +- André G. Isaak still has not noticed his mistake1olcott
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11 Jul 25         i   i  `- Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof1Richard Damon
11 Jul 25         i   `- Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof1Mikko
9 Jul 25         `- Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof1Richard Damon

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