Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally?

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Sujet : Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally?
De : polcott333 (at) *nospam* gmail.com (olcott)
Groupes : comp.theory
Date : 28. Apr 2024, 14:56:36
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On 4/28/2024 3:23 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 2024-04-28 00:17:48 +0000, olcott said:
 
Can D simulated by H terminate normally?
 One should not that "D simulated by H" is not the same as
"simulation of D by H". The message below seems to be more
about the latter than the former. In any case, it is more
about the properties of H than about the properties of D.
 
D specifies what is essentially infinite recursion to H.
Several people agreed that D simulated by H cannot possibly
reach past its own line 03 no matter what H does.

The x86utm operating system based on an open source x86 emulator.
This system enables one C function to execute another C function
in debug step mode. When H simulates D it creates a separate process
context for D with its own memory, stack and virtual registers. H
is able to simulate D simulating itself, thus the only limit to
recursive simulations is RAM.
>
// The following is written in C
//
01 typedef int (*ptr)(); // pointer to int function
02 int H(ptr x, ptr y)    // uses x86 emulator to simulate its input
03
04 int D(ptr x)
05 {
06   int Halt_Status = H(x, x);
07   if (Halt_Status)
08     HERE: goto HERE;
09   return Halt_Status;
10 }
11
12 void main()
13 {
14   D(D);
15 }
>
Execution Trace
Line 14: main() invokes D(D)
>
keeps repeating (unless aborted)
Line 06: simulated D(D) invokes simulated H(D,D) that simulates D(D)
>
Simulation invariant
D correctly simulated by H cannot possibly reach its own line 09.
>
Is it dead obvious to everyone here when examining the execution
trace of lines 14 and 06 above that D correctly simulated by H cannot
possibly terminate normally by reaching its own line 09?
 
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Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

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28 Apr 24 * Can D simulated by H terminate normally?351olcott
28 Apr 24 +* Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally?35Richard Damon
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