Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###

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Date : 19. May 2024, 04:45:12
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On 19/05/24 05:27, olcott wrote:
Yes and several people also continue to point out that D
correctly simulated by H can reach its own line 06 and halt
even when an execution trace of H simulating itself simulating
D proves otherwise.
You don't understand that a correct simulation does the same thing as the real program. A correct simulation of D doesn't reach line 06 if D outside of a simulation doesn't reach line 06.
If D outside of a simulation reaches line 06 but D inside of a simulation doesn't reach line 06 then the simulation is wrong.

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14 May 24 * Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###216Mikko
14 May 24 `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###215olcott
15 May 24  +- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1Richard Damon
15 May 24  `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###213Mikko
15 May 24   `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###212olcott
15 May 24    +* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###3joes
15 May 24    i`* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###2olcott
16 May 24    i `- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1Richard Damon
16 May 24    +- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1Richard Damon
16 May 24    `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###207Mikko
16 May 24     `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###206olcott
16 May 24      +* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###24Alan Mackenzie
16 May 24      i`* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###23olcott
17 May 24      i +- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1Mikko
17 May 24      i `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###21Alan Mackenzie
18 May 24      i  +* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###19olcott
18 May 24      i  i`* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###18André G. Isaak
18 May 24      i  i +- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1olcott
18 May 24      i  i +* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###12olcott
19 May 24      i  i i`* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###11André G. Isaak
19 May 24      i  i i `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###10olcott
19 May 24      i  i i  +* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###8immibis
19 May 24      i  i i  i`* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###7olcott
19 May 24      i  i i  i +- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1Richard Damon
19 May 24      i  i i  i `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###5immibis
19 May 24      i  i i  i  `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###4olcott
19 May 24      i  i i  i   +- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1Richard Damon
20 May 24      i  i i  i   `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###2immibis
20 May 24      i  i i  i    `- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1Mikko
19 May 24      i  i i  `- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1Richard Damon
18 May 24      i  i `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###4olcott
18 May 24      i  i  +- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1Richard Damon
18 May 24      i  i  `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###2Fred. Zwarts
18 May 24      i  i   `- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1olcott
18 May 24      i  `- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1olcott
17 May 24      +* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###176Mikko
17 May 24      i`* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###175olcott
18 May 24      i +- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1Richard Damon
18 May 24      i `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###173Mikko
18 May 24      i  +* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###65olcott
18 May 24      i  i+- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1Richard Damon
19 May 24      i  i`* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###63DFS
19 May 24      i  i +* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###8immibis
20 May 24      i  i i`* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###7Chris M. Thomasson
20 May 24      i  i i `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###6Keith Thompson
20 May 24      i  i i  +* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###3Chris M. Thomasson
20 May 24      i  i i  i`* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###2Keith Thompson
21 May 24      i  i i  i `- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1Chris M. Thomasson
20 May 24      i  i i  +- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1olcott
20 May 24      i  i i  `- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1Kenny McCormack
19 May 24      i  i +* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###52olcott
19 May 24      i  i i+- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1Chris M. Thomasson
19 May 24      i  i i`* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###50Richard Damon
19 May 24      i  i i `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###49Chris M. Thomasson
20 May 24      i  i i  `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###48immibis
20 May 24      i  i i   `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###47David Brown
20 May 24      i  i i    +* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###4Kenny McCormack
20 May 24      i  i i    i`* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###3Alan Mackenzie
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20 May 24      i  i i    +* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###8Chris M. Thomasson
21 May 24      i  i i    i`* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###7David Brown
21 May 24      i  i i    i `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###6James Kuyper
21 May 24      i  i i    i  `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###5David Brown
21 May 24      i  i i    i   +- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1Chris M. Thomasson
21 May 24      i  i i    i   +* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###2Keith Thompson
22 May 24      i  i i    i   i`- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1David Brown
24 May 24      i  i i    i   `- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1Chris M. Thomasson
21 May 24      i  i i    `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###34immibis
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21 May 24      i  i i     i `- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1immibis
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21 May 24      i  i i     i`* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###15James Kuyper
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22 May 24      i  i i     i  i +* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###3olcott
22 May 24      i  i i     i  i i+- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1immibis
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