Sujet : Re: Defining a correct simulating halt decider
De : polcott333 (at) *nospam* gmail.com (olcott)
Groupes : comp.theoryDate : 06. Sep 2024, 12:38:20
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On 9/6/2024 4:24 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
Op 05.sep.2024 om 19:17 schreef olcott:
On 9/5/2024 11:56 AM, joes wrote:
Am Thu, 05 Sep 2024 11:52:04 -0500 schrieb olcott:
On 9/5/2024 11:34 AM, joes wrote:
Am Thu, 05 Sep 2024 11:10:40 -0500 schrieb olcott:
On 9/5/2024 10:57 AM, joes wrote:
Am Thu, 05 Sep 2024 08:24:20 -0500 schrieb olcott:
On 9/5/2024 2:34 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 2024-09-03 13:00:50 +0000, olcott said:
On 9/3/2024 5:25 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 2024-09-02 16:38:03 +0000, olcott said:
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Show the details of how DDD emulated by HHH reaches its own machine
address 0000217f.
By HHH returning, which we are guaranteed from its definition as a
decider.
How the F--- Does the emulated HHH return?
I don’t know, you claim it’s a decider!
You KEEP TRYING TO CHEAT by erasing the context !!!
It is very well known by this point.
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DDD emulated by HHH CANNOT POSSIBLY reach its own machine address
0000217f.
Only HHH can’t simulate it.
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The directly executed HHH correctly determines that its emulated DDD
must be aborted because DDD keeps *THE EMULATED HHH* stuck in recursive
emulation.
Why doesn’t the simulated HHH abort?
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The first HHH cannot wait for its HHH to abort
which is waiting for its HHH to abort on and on
with no HHH ever aborting.
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Indeed! There is no way to make HHH correct for all inputs, in particular not for the input that uses HHH's algorithm.
CORRECT MEANS DO WHATEVER THE X86 CODE SAYS
_DDD()
[00002172] 55 push ebp ; housekeeping
[00002173] 8bec mov ebp,esp ; housekeeping
[00002175] 6872210000 push 00002172 ; push DDD
[0000217a] e853f4ffff call 000015d2 ; call HHH(DDD)
[0000217f] 83c404 add esp,+04
[00002182] 5d pop ebp
[00002183] c3 ret
Size in bytes:(0018) [00002183]
Show the details of how DDD emulated by HHH
reaches its own machine address 0000217f.
00002172, 00002173, 00002175, 0000217a calls HHH(DDD)
then
00002172, 00002173, 00002175, 0000217a calls HHH(DDD)...
WHAT SHOULD THE NEXT STEPS BE?
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