Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###

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Sujet : Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###
De : jameskuyper (at) *nospam* alumni.caltech.edu (James Kuyper)
Groupes : comp.theory comp.lang.c
Date : 18. May 2024, 19:01:22
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On 5/18/24 12:47, Richard Damon wrote:
On 5/18/24 12:32 PM, James Kuyper wrote:
...>> Such code has undefined behavior "by the omission of any explicit
definition of behavior." (4p2).
Strictly conforming programs cannot have undefined behavior (4p5).
 
Undefined by the C Standard, but likely defined by the implementation.

"Undefined behavior" is a piece of C jargon. You cannot understand the
meaning of the term by treating it as an ordinary English phrase:
"behavior which has no definition'. Rather, it is defined by the
standard to mean "behavior, upon use of a nonportable or erroneous
program construct or of erroneous data, for which this document imposes
no requirements" (3.4.3p1). To say that the behavior is "Undefined by
the C standard" is redundant - "undefined behavior" has "this document"
built into its definition. It remains undefined behavior as far as the C
standard is concerned, even if some other document does define the
behavior. This is important, because strictly conforming code cannot
have undefined behavior. If the C standard has no definition for the
behavior of some code, it cannot be strictly conforming, even if some
other document does define the behavior.
The code might be perfectly safe to run on a platform where that other
document has authority - but it does so entirely because of that other
document, the C standard says nothing to guarantee the behavior of such
code.


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5 May 24 * Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H643olcott
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5 May 24 ii`- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H1Richard Damon
5 May 24 i+* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H43olcott
5 May 24 ii`* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H42Richard Damon
5 May 24 ii +* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H18olcott
5 May 24 ii i`* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H17Richard Damon
6 May 24 ii i `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H16olcott
6 May 24 ii i  +* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H11Richard Damon
6 May 24 ii i  i+* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H4olcott
6 May 24 ii i  ii`* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H3Richard Damon
6 May 24 ii i  ii `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H2olcott
6 May 24 ii i  ii  `- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H1Richard Damon
6 May 24 ii i  i`* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H6olcott
6 May 24 ii i  i `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H5Richard Damon
6 May 24 ii i  i  `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H4olcott
6 May 24 ii i  i   `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H3Richard Damon
6 May 24 ii i  i    `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H2olcott
7 May 24 ii i  i     `- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H1Richard Damon
6 May 24 ii i  `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H4Mikko
6 May 24 ii i   `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H3olcott
7 May 24 ii i    +- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H1Richard Damon
7 May 24 ii i    `- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H1Mikko
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6 May 24 ii   +* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H10olcott
6 May 24 ii   i`* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H9Richard Damon
6 May 24 ii   i +* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H2olcott
6 May 24 ii   i i`- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H1Richard Damon
6 May 24 ii   i `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H6olcott
6 May 24 ii   i  `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H5Richard Damon
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6 May 24 ii   i    `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H3Richard Damon
6 May 24 ii   i     `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H2olcott
7 May 24 ii   i      `- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H1Richard Damon
6 May 24 ii   +* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H4olcott
6 May 24 ii   i`* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H3Richard Damon
6 May 24 ii   i `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H2olcott
6 May 24 ii   i  `- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H1Richard Damon
6 May 24 ii   `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H6olcott
6 May 24 ii    `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H5Richard Damon
6 May 24 ii     `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ---4olcott
6 May 24 ii      `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ---3Richard Damon
6 May 24 ii       `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ---2olcott
7 May 24 ii        `- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ---1Richard Damon
5 May 24 i`* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H18olcott
5 May 24 i +* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H3Richard Damon
5 May 24 i i`* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H2olcott
6 May 24 i i `- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H1Richard Damon
7 May 24 i `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H14immibis
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7 May 24 i   +* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H +++10Richard Damon
7 May 24 i   i+* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H +++8olcott
7 May 24 i   ii`* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H +++7Richard Damon
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7 May 24 i   ii  `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H +++5Richard Damon
7 May 24 i   ii   `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H +++4olcott
7 May 24 i   ii    `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H +++3Richard Damon
7 May 24 i   ii     `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H +++2olcott
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7 May 24 i i   `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ===41Richard Damon
7 May 24 i i    `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ===40olcott
7 May 24 i i     +* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ===38Richard Damon
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7 May 24 i i     i `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ===36Richard Damon
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8 May 24 i i     i   `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ===28Richard Damon
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8 May 24 i i     i    i    i`* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H @@@10Richard Damon
8 May 24 i i     i    i    i `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H @@@9olcott
9 May 24 i i     i    i    i  `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H @@@8Richard Damon
9 May 24 i i     i    i    i   +* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H @@@2olcott
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8 May 24 i i     i    `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ===2olcott
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