Re: Every D correctly simulated by H never reaches its final state and halts

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Sujet : Re: Every D correctly simulated by H never reaches its final state and halts
De : richard (at) *nospam* damon-family.org (Richard Damon)
Groupes : comp.theory
Date : 22. May 2024, 02:46:04
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On 5/21/24 9:41 AM, olcott wrote:
On 5/21/2024 4:39 AM, Mikko wrote:

Apparently your interpretation of either "that reasoning" or
"everyone" is different from mine.
>
 Richard said that he didn't know he was supposed to provide
correct answers, he thought it was OK to intentionally provide
incorrect answers (AKA lie)
That isn't what I said, and so you are shown to be a LIAR.
I said that my H was just as accurate, as yours.
That means, you ADMIT that you have lied, that your machine was correct, and know it.
After all, YOU argure that H is allowed to say that D(D) doesn't halt, just because its simulaiton doesn't reach the end, even though you know and admit that D(D) WILL HALT.
Thus, since the criteria allows the not reaching a final state to be because the simulator didn't simulate long enough, my alternate machine was JUST AS CORRECT.

 On 5/19/2024 12:17 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
 > On 5/19/24 9:59 AM, olcott wrote:
 >> Richard has stated that he thinks that an example of
 >> {D never simulated by H} ∈ {every D simulated by H}
 >
 > No, the H that didn't simulate its input shows that
 > *once you allow H to not be required to be correct*,
 > that we can then have a trivial function that is
 > "just as correct" (since wrong answers were allowed).
 

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17 May 24 * Every D correctly simulated by H never reaches its final state and halts37olcott
17 May 24 +* Re: Every D correctly simulated by H never reaches its final state and halts3Richard Damon
17 May 24 i`* Re: Every D correctly simulated by H never reaches its final state and halts2olcott
17 May 24 i `- Re: Every D correctly simulated by H never reaches its final state and halts1Richard Damon
17 May 24 +* Re: Every D correctly simulated by H never reaches its final state and halts32Fred. Zwarts
17 May 24 i+* Re: Every D correctly simulated by H never reaches its final state and halts21Mikko
17 May 24 ii`* Re: Every D correctly simulated by H never reaches its final state and halts20olcott
18 May 24 ii +- Re: Every D correctly simulated by H never reaches its final state and halts1Richard Damon
18 May 24 ii `* Re: Every D correctly simulated by H never reaches its final state and halts18Mikko
18 May 24 ii  `* Re: Every D correctly simulated by H never reaches its final state and halts17olcott
18 May 24 ii   +- Re: Every D correctly simulated by H never reaches its final state and halts1Richard Damon
19 May 24 ii   `* Re: Every D correctly simulated by H never reaches its final state and halts15Mikko
19 May 24 ii    `* Re: Every D correctly simulated by H never reaches its final state and halts14olcott
19 May 24 ii     `* Re: Every D correctly simulated by H never reaches its final state and halts13Mikko
19 May 24 ii      `* Re: Every D correctly simulated by H never reaches its final state and halts12olcott
19 May 24 ii       +* Re: Every D correctly simulated by H never reaches its final state and halts3Richard Damon
19 May 24 ii       i`* Re: Every D correctly simulated by H never reaches its final state and halts --- Admitted Liar2olcott
19 May 24 ii       i `- Re: Every D correctly simulated by H never reaches its final state and halts --- Olcott is an Admitted Liar1Richard Damon
20 May 24 ii       `* Re: Every D correctly simulated by H never reaches its final state and halts8Mikko
20 May 24 ii        `* Re: Every D correctly simulated by H never reaches its final state and halts7olcott
21 May 24 ii         +- Re: Every D correctly simulated by H never reaches its final state and halts1Richard Damon
21 May 24 ii         `* Re: Every D correctly simulated by H never reaches its final state and halts5Mikko
21 May 24 ii          +* Re: Every D correctly simulated by H never reaches its final state and halts2immibis
21 May 24 ii          i`- Re: Every D correctly simulated by H never reaches its final state and halts1Mikko
21 May 24 ii          `* Re: Every D correctly simulated by H never reaches its final state and halts2olcott
22 May 24 ii           `- Re: Every D correctly simulated by H never reaches its final state and halts1Richard Damon
17 May 24 i`* Re: Every D correctly simulated by H never reaches its final state and halts10olcott
17 May 24 i +* Re: Every D correctly simulated by H never reaches its final state and halts8olcott
18 May 24 i i+- Re: Every D correctly simulated by H never reaches its final state and halts1Richard Damon
18 May 24 i i+* Re: Every D correctly simulated by H never reaches its final state and halts2Mikko
18 May 24 i ii`- Re: Every D correctly simulated by H never reaches its final state and halts1olcott
18 May 24 i i+- Re: Every D correctly simulated by H never reaches its final state and halts1joes
18 May 24 i i`* Re: Every D correctly simulated by H never reaches its final state and halts3Mikko
18 May 24 i i `* Re: Every D correctly simulated by H never reaches its final state and halts2olcott
18 May 24 i i  `- Re: Every D correctly simulated by H never reaches its final state and halts1Richard Damon
18 May 24 i `- Re: Every D correctly simulated by H never reaches its final state and halts1Richard Damon
18 May 24 `- Re: Every D correctly simulated by H never reaches its final state and halts1immibis

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