Re: Every D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation

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Sujet : Re: Every D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation
De : polcott333 (at) *nospam* gmail.com (olcott)
Groupes : comp.theory sci.logic
Date : 23. May 2024, 03:15:36
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On 5/22/2024 6:01 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
On 5/22/24 11:41 AM, olcott wrote:
>
typedef int (*ptr)();  // ptr is pointer to int function in C
00       int H(ptr p, ptr i);
01       int D(ptr p)
02       {
03         int Halt_Status = H(p, p);
04         if (Halt_Status)
05           HERE: goto HERE;
06         return Halt_Status;
07       }
08
09       int main()
10       {
11         H(D,D);
12         return 0;
13       }
>
>
I am just trying to get people to understand that for the infinite set
of H/D pairs matching the above template where D is correctly simulated
by pure function H that no D correctly simulated by pure function H can
possibly reach its own line 06 and halt because every D remains stuck in
recursive simulation.
 But it CAN reach its final state when run or actaully completely and correctly simulated by a real simulator (and not changed)
 Your problem is that you definition of "Correct Simulation" and that of a simulation that actually says something about non-halting are different, so you can't use yours to reason about the other.
 
*You are violating this definition*
*CORRECT SIMULATION DEFINED*
   In the above case a simulator is an x86 emulator that correctly
   emulates at least one of the x86 instructions of D in the order
   specified by the x86 instructions of D.
   This may include correctly emulating the x86 instructions of H in the
   order specified by the x86 instructions of H thus calling H(D,D) in
   recursive simulation.
--
Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

Date Sujet#  Auteur
20 May 24 * Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Message_ID Provided V233olcott
20 May 24 `* Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Message_ID Provided V232Richard Damon
20 May 24  +* Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Message_ID Provided V225olcott
20 May 24  i`* Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Message_ID Provided V224Richard Damon
20 May 24  i +* Every D correctly simulated by H cannot possible reach its own line 06 and halt20olcott
20 May 24  i i`* Re: Every D correctly simulated by H cannot possible reach its own line 06 and halt19Richard Damon
20 May 24  i i `* Re: Every D correctly simulated by H cannot possible reach its own line 06 and halt18olcott
21 May 24  i i  `* Re: Every D correctly simulated by H cannot possible reach its own line 06 and halt17Richard Damon
21 May 24  i i   `* Re: Every D correctly simulated by H cannot possibly reach its own line 06 and halt16olcott
21 May 24  i i    `* Re: Every D correctly simulated by H cannot possibly reach its own line 06 and halt15Richard Damon
21 May 24  i i     `* Re: Every D correctly simulated by H cannot possibly reach its own line 06 and halt14olcott
21 May 24  i i      `* Re: Every D correctly simulated by H cannot possibly reach its own line 06 and halt13Richard Damon
21 May 24  i i       `* Re: Every D correctly simulated by H cannot possibly reach its own line 06 and halt12olcott
22 May 24  i i        `* Re: Every D correctly simulated by H cannot possibly reach its own line 06 and halt11Richard Damon
22 May 24  i i         `* Re: Every D correctly simulated by H cannot possibly reach its own line 06 and halt10olcott
22 May 24  i i          +* Re: Every D correctly simulated by H cannot possibly reach its own line 06 and halt3Richard Damon
22 May 24  i i          i`* Re: Every D correctly simulated by H cannot possibly reach its own line 06 and halt2olcott
22 May 24  i i          i `- Re: Every D correctly simulated by H cannot possibly reach its own line 06 and halt1Richard Damon
22 May 24  i i          +- Re: Every D correctly simulated by H cannot possibly reach its own line 06 and halt1Fred. Zwarts
22 May 24  i i          `* Re: Every D correctly simulated by H cannot possibly reach its own line 06 and halt5joes
22 May 24  i i           `* Every D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation4olcott
23 May 24  i i            `* Re: Every D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation3Richard Damon
23 May 24  i i             `* Re: Every D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation2olcott
23 May 24  i i              `- Re: Every D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation1Richard Damon
20 May 24  i `* Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Message_ID Provided V23immibis
20 May 24  i  `* Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Message_ID Provided V22olcott
21 May 24  i   `- Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Message_ID Provided V21Richard Damon
20 May 24  `* Every D correctly simulated by H cannot possible reach its own line 06 and halt6olcott
20 May 24   `* Re: Every D correctly simulated by H cannot possible reach its own line 06 and halt5Richard Damon
20 May 24    `* Re: Every D correctly simulated by H cannot possible reach its own line 06 and halt4olcott
20 May 24     `* Re: Every D correctly simulated by H cannot possible reach its own line 06 and halt3Richard Damon
20 May 24      `* Re: Every D correctly simulated by H cannot possible reach its own line 06 and halt2olcott
21 May 24       `- Re: Every D correctly simulated by H cannot possible reach its own line 06 and halt1Richard Damon

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