Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###

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Sujet : Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###
De : richard (at) *nospam* damon-family.org (Richard Damon)
Groupes : comp.theory sci.logic
Date : 27. May 2024, 17:37:04
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On 5/27/24 12:06 PM, olcott wrote:
On 5/27/2024 10:56 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
On 5/27/24 11:43 AM, olcott wrote:
On 5/27/2024 9:58 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
On 5/27/24 10:39 AM, olcott wrote:
>
typedef int (*ptr)();  // ptr is pointer to int function in C
00       int H(ptr p, ptr i);
01       int D(ptr p)
02       {
03         int Halt_Status = H(p, p);
04         if (Halt_Status)
05           HERE: goto HERE;
06         return Halt_Status;
07       }
08
09       int main()
10       {
11         H(D,D);
12         return 0;
13       }
>
The above template refers to an infinite set of H/D pairs where D is
correctly simulated by either pure simulator H or pure function H. This
was done because many reviewers used the shell game ploy to endlessly
switch which H/D pair was being referred to.
>
Correct Simulation Defined
    This is provided because many reviewers had a different notion of
    correct simulation that diverges from this notion.
>
    A simulator is an x86 emulator that correctly emulates 1 to N of the
    x86 instructions of D in the order specified by the x86 instructions
    of D. This may include M recursive emulations of H emulating itself
    emulating D.
>
And how do you apply that to a TEMPLATE that doesn't define what a call H means
 *It is completely defined and you are just ignoring this definition*
So, what instruction does the call H in D go to to be simulated?
As a template, there is no fixed H, so no instruction to look at.

H correctly simulates 1 to ∞ steps of D with either pure function H
or pure simulator H. In none of these cases does the correctly simulated
D ever reach its own simulated final state and halt.
 Do some of these instances of H play a game of poker with themselves
before or after they simulate D? Yes they do because the H/D pairs
are an infinite set.
 
But, how do they correctly simulate something that isn't there?
Either they are simulating an INSTANCE of the template, in which case each H is looking at a DIFFERENT instance, and you can't relate one result to the other, or they are trying to simulate the Template, at which point you have the problem that the code to be simulated hasn't been defined, and thus you can't do what you define to do.

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14 May 24 * Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###216Mikko
14 May 24 `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###215olcott
15 May 24  +- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1Richard Damon
15 May 24  `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###213Mikko
15 May 24   `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###212olcott
15 May 24    +* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###3joes
15 May 24    i`* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###2olcott
16 May 24    i `- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1Richard Damon
16 May 24    +- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1Richard Damon
16 May 24    `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###207Mikko
16 May 24     `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###206olcott
16 May 24      +* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###24Alan Mackenzie
16 May 24      i`* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###23olcott
17 May 24      i +- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1Mikko
17 May 24      i `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###21Alan Mackenzie
18 May 24      i  +* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###19olcott
18 May 24      i  i`* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###18André G. Isaak
18 May 24      i  i +- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1olcott
18 May 24      i  i +* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###12olcott
19 May 24      i  i i`* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###11André G. Isaak
19 May 24      i  i i `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###10olcott
19 May 24      i  i i  +* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###8immibis
19 May 24      i  i i  i`* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###7olcott
19 May 24      i  i i  i +- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1Richard Damon
19 May 24      i  i i  i `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###5immibis
19 May 24      i  i i  i  `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###4olcott
19 May 24      i  i i  i   +- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1Richard Damon
20 May 24      i  i i  i   `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###2immibis
20 May 24      i  i i  i    `- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1Mikko
19 May 24      i  i i  `- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1Richard Damon
18 May 24      i  i `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###4olcott
18 May 24      i  i  +- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1Richard Damon
18 May 24      i  i  `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###2Fred. Zwarts
18 May 24      i  i   `- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1olcott
18 May 24      i  `- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1olcott
17 May 24      +* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###176Mikko
17 May 24      i`* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###175olcott
18 May 24      i +- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1Richard Damon
18 May 24      i `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###173Mikko
18 May 24      i  +* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###65olcott
18 May 24      i  i+- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1Richard Damon
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20 May 24      i  i i`* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###7Chris M. Thomasson
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21 May 24      i  i i  i `- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1Chris M. Thomasson
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19 May 24      i  i +* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###52olcott
19 May 24      i  i i+- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1Chris M. Thomasson
19 May 24      i  i i`* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###50Richard Damon
19 May 24      i  i i `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###49Chris M. Thomasson
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22 May 24      i  i i     i  i +* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###3olcott
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