Sujet : Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ -- key details
De : richard (at) *nospam* damon-family.org (Richard Damon)
Groupes : comp.theoryDate : 04. Jun 2024, 01:56:01
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On 6/3/24 8:48 AM, olcott wrote:
On 6/3/2024 3:07 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 2024-06-02 13:07:25 +0000, olcott said:
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On 6/2/2024 2:36 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 2024-06-01 14:37:01 +0000, olcott said:
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On 6/1/2024 2:52 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 2024-05-31 15:35:18 +0000, olcott said:
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When Ĥ is applied to ⟨Ĥ⟩
Ĥ.q0 ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* embedded_H ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* Ĥ.qy ∞
Ĥ.q0 ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* embedded_H ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* Ĥ.qn
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Of those two lines one is false.
As embedded_H is a copy of H both lines imply that H is not a halt decider.
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*Formalizing the Linz Proof structure*
∃H ∈ Turing_Machines
∀x ∈ Turing_Machine_Descriptions
∀y ∈ Finite_Strings
such that H(x,y) = Halts(x,y)
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As already noted, the above is not a part of a proof structure.
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Unless and until you provide reasoning to back that up it counts
as if you said nothing about it.
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If there are no more questions about the details of the reasoning
we may assume that the presiented reasoning is sufficieant.
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The above <is> the structure of his proof your empty assertion utterly bereft of any supporting (EAUBoaSR)) reasoning counts for zilch.
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Those how know what "structure" means can see that it is not a structure.
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Linz claims that of every Turing Machine there are none that solve the halting problem.
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And proves the claim.
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∃!H ∈ Turing_Machines (What Richard was saying)
would say that there does not exist exactly one Turing Machine that
solves the halting problem thus fails if there are more than one.
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Irrelevant as that is not what Linz' says.
And you should not lie about Rchard.
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Richard was confused bout this. Linz words were confusing
unless one had read many other proofs one might be confused.
I know perfectly well what Linz says.
YOU are the one that is confused, as you have even admitted.
Date | Sujet | # | | Auteur |
23 May 24 | Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 186 | | olcott |
24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 23 | | Richard Damon |
24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 10 | | olcott |
24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 9 | | Richard Damon |
24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 8 | | olcott |
24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 7 | | Richard Damon |
24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 6 | | olcott |
24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 5 | | Richard Damon |
24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 4 | | olcott |
24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 3 | | Richard Damon |
24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 2 | | olcott |
25 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 1 | | Richard Damon |
24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 12 | | Fred. Zwarts |
24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 5 | | Richard Damon |
24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 4 | | olcott |
24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 3 | | Richard Damon |
24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 2 | | olcott |
25 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 1 | | Richard Damon |
24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 6 | | olcott |
24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 5 | | Richard Damon |
24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 4 | | olcott |
24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 3 | | Richard Damon |
24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 2 | | olcott |
25 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 1 | | Richard Damon |
24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 154 | | Fred. Zwarts |
24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 153 | | olcott |
24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 152 | | Richard Damon |
24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 151 | | olcott |
24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 150 | | Richard Damon |
24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 149 | | olcott |
25 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 1 | | Richard Damon |
25 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 147 | | olcott |
25 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 146 | | Richard Damon |
25 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 145 | | olcott |
25 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 144 | | Richard Damon |
25 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 143 | | olcott |
25 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 140 | | Richard Damon |
25 May 24 | D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 139 | | olcott |
25 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 138 | | Richard Damon |
25 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 137 | | olcott |
25 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 134 | | Richard Damon |
25 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 133 | | olcott |
25 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 132 | | Richard Damon |
25 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 131 | | olcott |
25 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 130 | | Richard Damon |
25 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 129 | | olcott |
25 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 128 | | Richard Damon |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 6 | | olcott |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 5 | | Richard Damon |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 4 | | olcott |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 3 | | Richard Damon |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 2 | | olcott |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 1 | | Richard Damon |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 121 | | olcott |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 120 | | Richard Damon |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 119 | | olcott |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 118 | | Richard Damon |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 117 | | olcott |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 116 | | Richard Damon |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 115 | | olcott |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 114 | | Richard Damon |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 113 | | olcott |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 112 | | Richard Damon |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 2 | | olcott |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 1 | | Richard Damon |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 109 | | olcott |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 108 | | Richard Damon |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 6 | | olcott |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 5 | | Richard Damon |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 2 | | olcott |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 1 | | Richard Damon |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 2 | | olcott |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 1 | | Richard Damon |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 --- Dishonest? | 101 | | olcott |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 --- Dishonest? | 100 | | Richard Damon |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 --- Dishonest? | 99 | | olcott |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 --- Dishonest? | 98 | | Richard Damon |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 --- Dishonest? | 97 | | olcott |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 --- Dishonest? | 96 | | Richard Damon |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 --- | 95 | | olcott |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 --- | 94 | | Richard Damon |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 --- | 93 | | olcott |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 --- | 92 | | Richard Damon |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 --- Linz proof | 4 | | olcott |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 --- Linz proof | 3 | | Richard Damon |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 --- Linz proof | 2 | | olcott |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 --- Linz proof | 1 | | Richard Damon |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 --- Linz | 87 | | olcott |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 --- Linz | 86 | | Richard Damon |
27 May 24 | A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ | 85 | | olcott |
27 May 24 | Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ | 84 | | Richard Damon |
27 May 24 | Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ | 83 | | olcott |
27 May 24 | Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ | 82 | | Richard Damon |
27 May 24 | Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ | 4 | | olcott |
27 May 24 | Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ | 3 | | Richard Damon |
27 May 24 | Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ | 2 | | olcott |
27 May 24 | Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ | 1 | | Richard Damon |
27 May 24 | Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ | 77 | | olcott |
27 May 24 | Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ | 3 | | Richard Damon |
27 May 24 | Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ | 2 | | olcott |
27 May 24 | Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ | 1 | | Richard Damon |
27 May 24 | Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ | 73 | | olcott |
25 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 2 | | Alan Mackenzie |
26 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 2 | | Fred. Zwarts |
24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 8 | | Mikko |