Re: Simplified proof that DDD correctly simulated by HHH does not halt

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Sujet : Re: Simplified proof that DDD correctly simulated by HHH does not halt
De : noreply (at) *nospam* example.com (joes)
Groupes : comp.theory 
Date : 09. Jun 2024, 18:59:51
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Am Sun, 09 Jun 2024 11:07:19 -0500 schrieb olcott:
typedef void (*ptr)(); // pointer to void function
01   void HHH(ptr P, ptr I)
02   {
03     P(I);
04     return;
05   }
06 07   void DDD(int (*x)())
08   {
09     HHH(x, x);
10     return;
11   }
12 13   int main()
14   {
15     HHH(DDD,DDD);
16   }
17

In the above Neither DDD nor HHH ever reach their own return statement
thus never halt.
Most of my reviewers incorrectly believe that when HH(DD,DD) aborts its
simulated input that this simulated input halts.
If HH aborts the simulation of DD(DD), the call to itself also does, and
returns, making the whole chain terminate. Therefore the abortion was
premature.

When HHH is a simulating halt decider just like HH then DDD correctly
simulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally
HHH must be the same as HH. There is no distinction by simulation level.
That's the whole point of the argument.

When HHH is a simulating halt decider then HHH sees that DDD
cannot possibly reach its return statement, AKA
    simulating halt decider HHH simulates its input DDD
    until HHH determines that DDD would never
    stop running unless aborted
and aborts it.

--
joes

Date Sujet#  Auteur
9 Jun 24 * Simplified proof that DDD correctly simulated by HHH does not halt27olcott
9 Jun 24 `* Re: Simplified proof that DDD correctly simulated by HHH does not halt26olcott
9 Jun 24  `* Re: Simplified proof that DDD correctly simulated by HHH does not halt25joes
9 Jun 24   `* Re: Simplified proof that DDD correctly simulated by HHH does not halt24olcott
9 Jun 24    `* Re: Simplified proof that DDD correctly simulated by HHH does not halt23joes
10 Jun 24     `* Re: Simplified proof that DDD correctly simulated by HHH does not halt22olcott
10 Jun 24      +* Re: Simplified proof that DDD correctly simulated by HHH does not halt19Richard Damon
10 Jun 24      i`* Re: Simplified proof that DDD correctly simulated by HHH does not halt18olcott
10 Jun 24      i `* Re: Simplified proof that DDD correctly simulated by HHH does not halt17Richard Damon
10 Jun 24      i  `* Re: Simplified proof that DDD correctly simulated by HHH does not halt16olcott
10 Jun 24      i   `* Re: Simplified proof that DDD correctly simulated by HHH does not halt15Richard Damon
10 Jun 24      i    `* Re: Simplified proof that DDD correctly simulated by HHH does not halt14olcott
10 Jun 24      i     `* Re: Simplified proof that DDD correctly simulated by HHH does not halt13Richard Damon
10 Jun 24      i      `* D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- losing a defamation case12olcott
10 Jun 24      i       +* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- losing a defamation case7Richard Damon
10 Jun 24      i       i`* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- losing a defamation case6olcott
10 Jun 24      i       i `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- losing a defamation case5Richard Damon
10 Jun 24      i       i  `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- losing a defamation case4olcott
10 Jun 24      i       i   `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- losing a defamation case3Richard Damon
10 Jun 24      i       i    `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- losing a defamation case2olcott
10 Jun 24      i       i     `- Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- losing a defamation case1Richard Damon
10 Jun 24      i       `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- losing a defamation case4Alan Mackenzie
10 Jun 24      i        `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- verified fact for 3 years3olcott
10 Jun 24      i         +- Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- verified fact for 3 years1joes
12 Jun 24      i         `- Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- verified fact for 3 years1Richard Damon
10 Jun 24      `* Re: Simplified proof that DDD correctly simulated by HHH does not halt2joes
10 Jun 24       `- Re: Simplified proof that DDD correctly simulated by HHH does not halt1olcott

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