Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- verified fact for 3 years

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Sujet : Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- verified fact for 3 years
De : noreply (at) *nospam* example.com (joes)
Groupes : comp.theory
Date : 10. Jun 2024, 16:33:47
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Am Mon, 10 Jun 2024 09:39:48 -0500 schrieb olcott:
On 6/10/2024 3:35 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
In comp.theory olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote:
On 6/9/2024 8:36 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
On 6/9/24 9:23 PM, olcott wrote:


On 5/29/2021 2:26 PM, olcott wrote:
https://groups.google.com/g/comp.theory/c/dTvIY5NX6b4/m/cHR2ZPgPBAAJ
 
THE ONLY POSSIBLE WAY for D simulated by H to have the same behavior as
the directly executed D(D) is for the instructions of D to be
incorrectly simulated by H (details provided below).
That doesn't make any sense. Surely the direct execution must be correct.
_D()
[00000cfc](01) 55          push ebp [00000cfd](02) 8bec        mov
ebp,esp [00000cff](03) 8b4508      mov eax,[ebp+08]
[00000d02](01) 50          push eax       ; push D [00000d03](03) 8b4d08
     mov ecx,[ebp+08]
[00000d06](01) 51          push ecx       ; push D [00000d07](05)
e800feffff  call 00000b0c  ; call H [00000d0c](03) 83c408      add
esp,+08 [00000d0f](02) 85c0        test eax,eax [00000d11](02) 7404    
  jz 00000d17 [00000d13](02) 33c0        xor eax,eax [00000d15](02) eb05
       jmp 00000d1c [00000d17](05) b801000000  mov eax,00000001
[00000d1c](01) 5d          pop ebp [00000d1d](01) c3          ret Size
in bytes:(0034) [00000d1d]
 
In order for D simulated by H to have the same behavior as the directly
executed D(D) H must ignore the instruction at machine address
[00000d07]. *That is an incorrect simulation of D*
D(D) does not ignore the call to H(D, D), whether it is simulated or not.

H does not ignore that instruction and simulates itself simulating D.
The simulated H outputs its own execution trace of D.

--
joes

Date Sujet#  Auteur
9 Jun 24 * Simplified proof that DDD correctly simulated by HHH does not halt27olcott
9 Jun 24 `* Re: Simplified proof that DDD correctly simulated by HHH does not halt26olcott
9 Jun 24  `* Re: Simplified proof that DDD correctly simulated by HHH does not halt25joes
9 Jun 24   `* Re: Simplified proof that DDD correctly simulated by HHH does not halt24olcott
9 Jun 24    `* Re: Simplified proof that DDD correctly simulated by HHH does not halt23joes
10 Jun 24     `* Re: Simplified proof that DDD correctly simulated by HHH does not halt22olcott
10 Jun 24      +* Re: Simplified proof that DDD correctly simulated by HHH does not halt19Richard Damon
10 Jun 24      i`* Re: Simplified proof that DDD correctly simulated by HHH does not halt18olcott
10 Jun 24      i `* Re: Simplified proof that DDD correctly simulated by HHH does not halt17Richard Damon
10 Jun 24      i  `* Re: Simplified proof that DDD correctly simulated by HHH does not halt16olcott
10 Jun 24      i   `* Re: Simplified proof that DDD correctly simulated by HHH does not halt15Richard Damon
10 Jun 24      i    `* Re: Simplified proof that DDD correctly simulated by HHH does not halt14olcott
10 Jun 24      i     `* Re: Simplified proof that DDD correctly simulated by HHH does not halt13Richard Damon
10 Jun 24      i      `* D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- losing a defamation case12olcott
10 Jun 24      i       +* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- losing a defamation case7Richard Damon
10 Jun 24      i       i`* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- losing a defamation case6olcott
10 Jun 24      i       i `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- losing a defamation case5Richard Damon
10 Jun 24      i       i  `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- losing a defamation case4olcott
10 Jun 24      i       i   `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- losing a defamation case3Richard Damon
10 Jun 24      i       i    `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- losing a defamation case2olcott
10 Jun 24      i       i     `- Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- losing a defamation case1Richard Damon
10 Jun 24      i       `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- losing a defamation case4Alan Mackenzie
10 Jun 24      i        `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- verified fact for 3 years3olcott
10 Jun 24      i         +- Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- verified fact for 3 years1joes
12 Jun 24      i         `- Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- verified fact for 3 years1Richard Damon
10 Jun 24      `* Re: Simplified proof that DDD correctly simulated by HHH does not halt2joes
10 Jun 24       `- Re: Simplified proof that DDD correctly simulated by HHH does not halt1olcott

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