Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems --- the way truth really works

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Sujet : Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems --- the way truth really works
De : richard (at) *nospam* damon-family.org (Richard Damon)
Groupes : comp.theory sci.logic
Date : 12. Jun 2024, 03:37:27
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On 6/11/24 9:57 PM, olcott wrote:
On 6/11/2024 8:44 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
On 6/11/24 12:06 PM, olcott wrote:
On 6/11/2024 2:45 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 2024-06-10 14:43:34 +0000, olcott said:
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Those laws do not constrain formal systems. Each formal system specifies
its own laws, which include all or some or none of those. Besides, a the
word "proposition" need not be and often is not used in the specification
of a formal system.
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*This is the way that truth actually works*
*People are free to disagree and simply be wrong*
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Nope, YOU are simply wrong, because you don't understand how big logic actualy is, because, it seems, your mind is to small.
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 Every expression of language X that is
{true on the basis of its meaning}
algorithmically requires a possibly infinite sequence of
finite string transformation rules from its meaning to X.
Unless it is just true as its nature.

 
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When we ask the question: What is a truthmaker? The generic answer is
whatever makes an expression of language true <is> its truthmaker.
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But logic systems don't necessaily deal with "expressions of language" in the sense you seem to be thinking of it.
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 Finite strings are the most generic form of "expressions of language"
And not all things are finite strings.

 
This entails that if there is nothing in the universe that makes
expression X true then X lacks a truthmaker and is untrue.
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Unless it just is true because it is a truthmaker by definition.
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 That is more than nothing in the universe.
 
but what makes the definition "true"? What is its truth-maker?
Not everything has a truth-maker, because it might be a truth-maker itself.

Date Sujet#  Auteur
9 Jun 24 * Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems80olcott
9 Jun 24 +* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems72olcott
9 Jun 24 i`* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems71Richard Damon
9 Jun 24 i `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems70olcott
9 Jun 24 i  `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems69Richard Damon
9 Jun 24 i   `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems68olcott
9 Jun 24 i    +* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems42Richard Damon
9 Jun 24 i    i`* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems41olcott
9 Jun 24 i    i +* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems39Richard Damon
10 Jun 24 i    i i`* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems38olcott
10 Jun 24 i    i i +* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems34Richard Damon
10 Jun 24 i    i i i`* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems33olcott
10 Jun 24 i    i i i `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems32Richard Damon
10 Jun 24 i    i i i  `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems31olcott
11 Jun 24 i    i i i   `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems30Richard Damon
11 Jun 24 i    i i i    `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems29olcott
12 Jun 24 i    i i i     `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems28Richard Damon
12 Jun 24 i    i i i      `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems27olcott
12 Jun 24 i    i i i       `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems26Richard Damon
12 Jun 24 i    i i i        `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems25olcott
12 Jun 24 i    i i i         `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems24Richard Damon
12 Jun 24 i    i i i          `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems23olcott
12 Jun 24 i    i i i           `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems22Richard Damon
12 Jun 24 i    i i i            `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems21olcott
13 Jun 24 i    i i i             `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems20Richard Damon
13 Jun 24 i    i i i              `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems19olcott
13 Jun 24 i    i i i               `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems18Richard Damon
13 Jun 24 i    i i i                `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems17olcott
13 Jun 24 i    i i i                 `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems16Richard Damon
13 Jun 24 i    i i i                  `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems15olcott
13 Jun 24 i    i i i                   `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems14Richard Damon
13 Jun 24 i    i i i                    `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems13olcott
13 Jun 24 i    i i i                     `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems12Richard Damon
13 Jun 24 i    i i i                      `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems11olcott
13 Jun 24 i    i i i                       `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems10Richard Damon
13 Jun 24 i    i i i                        `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems9olcott
13 Jun 24 i    i i i                         `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems8Richard Damon
13 Jun 24 i    i i i                          `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems7olcott
13 Jun 24 i    i i i                           `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems6Richard Damon
13 Jun 24 i    i i i                            `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems5olcott
14 Jun 24 i    i i i                             `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems4Richard Damon
14 Jun 24 i    i i i                              `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems3olcott
14 Jun 24 i    i i i                               `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems2Richard Damon
14 Jun 24 i    i i i                                `- Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems1olcott
10 Jun 24 i    i i `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems3Mikko
10 Jun 24 i    i i  `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems2olcott
11 Jun 24 i    i i   `- Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems1Mikko
10 Jun 24 i    i `- Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems1Richard Damon
10 Jun 24 i    `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems25Mikko
10 Jun 24 i     `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems24olcott
11 Jun 24 i      +* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems22Mikko
11 Jun 24 i      i`* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems --- the way truth really works21olcott
12 Jun 24 i      i +* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems --- the way truth really works9Richard Damon
12 Jun 24 i      i i`* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems --- the way truth really works8olcott
12 Jun 24 i      i i `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems --- the way truth really works7Richard Damon
12 Jun 24 i      i i  `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems --- the way truth really works6olcott
12 Jun 24 i      i i   `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems --- the way truth really works5Richard Damon
12 Jun 24 i      i i    `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems --- the way truth really works4olcott
13 Jun 24 i      i i     `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems --- the way truth really works3Richard Damon
13 Jun 24 i      i i      `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems --- the way truth really works2olcott
13 Jun 24 i      i i       `- Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems --- the way truth really works1Richard Damon
12 Jun 24 i      i `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems --- the way truth really works11Mikko
12 Jun 24 i      i  `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems --- the way truth really works10olcott
12 Jun 24 i      i   `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems --- the way truth really works9Mikko
12 Jun 24 i      i    `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems --- the way truth really works8olcott
12 Jun 24 i      i     `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems --- the way truth really works7Mikko
12 Jun 24 i      i      `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems --- the way truth really works6olcott
13 Jun 24 i      i       `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems --- the way truth really works5Mikko
13 Jun 24 i      i        `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems --- the way truth really works4olcott
13 Jun 24 i      i         +* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems --- the way truth really works2Mikko
13 Jun 24 i      i         i`- Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems --- the way truth really works1olcott
14 Jun 24 i      i         `- Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems --- the way truth really works1Richard Damon
12 Jun 24 i      `- Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems1Richard Damon
9 Jun 24 +* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems2joes
9 Jun 24 i`- Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems1olcott
9 Jun 24 `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems5Richard Damon
9 Jun 24  `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems4olcott
9 Jun 24   `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems3Richard Damon
9 Jun 24    `* Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems2olcott
9 Jun 24     `- Re: Truthmaker Maximalism and undecidable decision problems1Richard Damon

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