Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan

On 7/5/24 9:04 AM, olcott wrote:

On 7/5/2024 7:29 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:

Op 05.jul.2024 om 14:20 schreef olcott:

On 7/5/2024 4:49 AM, joes wrote:

Am Wed, 03 Jul 2024 13:57:40 -0500 schrieb olcott:

On 7/3/2024 1:40 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:

Op 03.jul.2024 om 20:20 schreef olcott:

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DDD correctly emulated by any element of the infinite set of every
pure function HHH cannot possibly reach its own ret instruction and
halt. That HHH aborts its emulation at some point or never aborts its
emulation cannot possibly change this.
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Ad hominem attacks always try to hide a lack of argumentation.
It has been proved that HHH cannot possibly correctly simulate itself.

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That is false and you know it. That might not be a flat out lie as it is
an sloppy use of language.
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HHH does correctly simulate itself simulating DDD one time, then it
stops correctly simulating itself because this criteria is met:
      HHH correctly simulates its input DDD until HHH correctly
      determines that its simulated DDD would never stop running unless
      aborted

But it would stop running.

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Not if not aborted.

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If you knew a little bit of programming, you would know that a program that is programmed to abort and stop, will abort and stop, if not aborted.

 I have two software engineering patents.
HHH is a generic program that works on many different
inputs thus it is not programmed to abort and stop.
It is programmed according to this algorithm.
 Unless you think that the #1 best selling author of theory
of computation textbooks is wrong then I am correct.
 <MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022>
     If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its input D
     until H correctly determines that its simulated D would never
     stop running unless aborted then
      H can abort its simulation of D and correctly report that D
     specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations.
</MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022>

Except he doesn't support you claim as you don't use the right definition of "Correctly Simulate", which means the simulation that exactly reproduces the behavior of the program represented by the input, and thus one that doesn't abort it.
You H neither does that itself, or correctly predicts the behavior of such a simulation of this exact input (which will still call this H), it can't use that second paragraph to claim that its aborting was correct.

 

Dreaming of a program without abort is irrelevant, because HHH *does* abort.
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So, the above code shows that the incorrect simulation of DDD by HHH is
unable to reach the 'ret' instruction, because it either never aborts,
or aborts one cycle too soon, when the simulated HHH is only one cycle
from its own abort and return and then the return of DDD would follow.

The criteria is:
      HHH simulates its input DDD until HHH
      determines that its simulated DDD would never stop running unless
      aborted
Richard always lies about this by making sure that he ever sees the word
UNTIL.

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