Re: Liar detector: Peter Olcott

On 7/6/24 8:54 AM, olcott wrote:

On 7/6/2024 1:33 AM, Mikko wrote:

On 2024-07-05 12:43:45 +0000, olcott said:
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On 7/5/2024 7:26 AM, joes wrote:

Am Fri, 05 Jul 2024 07:20:04 -0500 schrieb olcott:

On 7/5/2024 4:49 AM, joes wrote:

Am Wed, 03 Jul 2024 13:57:40 -0500 schrieb olcott:

On 7/3/2024 1:40 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:

Op 03.jul.2024 om 20:20 schreef olcott:

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DDD correctly emulated by any element of the infinite set of every
pure function HHH cannot possibly reach its own ret instruction and
halt. That HHH aborts its emulation at some point or never aborts
its emulation cannot possibly change this.
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Ad hominem attacks always try to hide a lack of argumentation.
It has been proved that HHH cannot possibly correctly simulate
itself.

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That is false and you know it. That might not be a flat out lie as it
is an sloppy use of language.
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HHH does correctly simulate itself simulating DDD one time, then it
stops correctly simulating itself because this criteria is met:
HHH correctly simulates its input DDD until HHH correctly
determines that its simulated DDD would never stop running
unless aborted

But it would stop running.

Not if not aborted.

But it is aborted!
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*It is not aborted when HHH makes its decision to abort*

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If it will be aborted in future it will not run forever.
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 <MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022>
     If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its input D
     until H correctly determines that its simulated D would never
     stop running unless aborted then
      H can abort its simulation of D and correctly report that D
     specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations.
</MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022>
 HHH(DDD) does meet this criteria. Professor Sipser is not wrong.

No, what Professor Sipser is referring to as a "Correct Simulation" is not your PARTIAL simulation, (which is definitionally NOT correct) but a simulation that exact reproduces all the behavior of the input, which means it CAN NOT STOP its simulation until the end is reached.
Since your HHH doesn't do that, or correctly predict that such a simulation would never stop (it can't, since we just showed that such a simulation DOES halt), it was never able to use the second paragraph, so by aborting anyway, it rendered itself subject to error.