Re: Who here understands that the last paragraph is Necessarily true? --- Honest Dialogue

On 7/20/2024 4:15 AM, Mikko wrote:

On 2024-07-19 14:49:46 +0000, olcott said:
 

On 7/19/2024 4:14 AM, Mikko wrote:

On 2024-07-18 14:18:51 +0000, olcott said:

>
When you are hungry you remain hungry until you eat.
   Before HHH(DDD) aborts its emulation the directly
   executed DDD() cannot possibly halt.
>
After you eat you are no longer hungry.
   After HHH(DDD) aborts its emulation the directly
   executed DDD() halts.

>
If DDD does not halt it indicates that HHH is faulty. Therefore the
interesting question is whether DDD halts, not when DDD halts.

 This time I made a typo that is much worse than my usual typos.
Pro "when DDD halts" lege "when HHH halts".
 

*By your same reasoning*
If Infinite_Loop() does not halt HHH is faulty.

 No, the reasoning must be differ. Infinite_Loop can be proven to halt
by a simple inspection of a short code. Similar simple inspection of
DDD reveals that DDD does halt if HHH halts but not whether HHH halts.
Therefore the interesting question, needed to complete the proof, is
whether HHH halts. If that can be determined the question about DDD
is easy.
 

In other words if Infinite_Loop()  is an actual infinite
loop then this is all the fault of HHH.

 Nothing is the fault of HHH. If a program is faulty it is the fault
of the author of the program. Usually an infinite loop is a fault
but that depends on the purpose and specification of the program.
Sometimes a program is faulty if it does terminate.
 

*Until you understand that this is true*
*we cannot have an honest dialogue*
_DDD()
[00002163] 55         push ebp      ; housekeeping
[00002164] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   ; housekeeping
[00002166] 6863210000 push 00002163 ; push DDD
[0000216b] e853f4ffff call 000015c3 ; call HHH(DDD)
[00002170] 83c404     add esp,+04
[00002173] 5d         pop ebp
[00002174] c3         ret
Size in bytes:(0018) [00002174]
int main()
{
   DDD();
}
Calls HHH(DDD) that must abort the emulation of its input
or {HHH, emulated DDD and executed DDD} never stop running.
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