Re: Hypothetical possibilities --- Sipser approved criteria

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Sujet : Re: Hypothetical possibilities --- Sipser approved criteria
De : acm (at) *nospam* muc.de (Alan Mackenzie)
Groupes : comp.theory
Date : 27. Jul 2024, 15:50:02
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olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote:
On 7/27/2024 1:54 AM, Mikko wrote:

If a simulator correctly simulates a finite number of instructions
where x86 program specifies an execution of an infinite number of
instructions then the simulation deviates from x86 semantics at the
point where the simulation stops but the x86 semantics specify
countinuation.

I paraphrase this as the requirement for a termination analyzer
to never terminate. That *is* a ridiculously stupid requirement.

I think you would do better to "paraphrase" it that a correct simulator
cannot always be a termination analyser.  The two are different things.

[ .... ]

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