Sujet : embedded_H applied to ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ computes the mapping from its input to Ĥ.qn
De : polcott333 (at) *nospam* gmail.com (olcott)
Groupes : comp.theoryDate : 30. Jul 2024, 16:16:20
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On 7/30/2024 1:37 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 2024-07-29 16:16:13 +0000, olcott said:
On 7/28/2024 3:02 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 2024-07-27 14:08:10 +0000, olcott said:
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On 7/27/2024 2:21 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 2024-07-26 14:08:11 +0000, olcott said:
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When Ĥ is applied to ⟨Ĥ⟩
Ĥ.q0 ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* embedded_H ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* Ĥ.qy ∞
Ĥ.q0 ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* embedded_H ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* Ĥ.qn
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The above is merely simplified syntax for the top of page 3
https://www.liarparadox.org/Linz_Proof.pdf
The above is the whole original Linz proof.
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And even more simplified semantics.
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(a) Ĥ copies its input ⟨Ĥ⟩
(b) Ĥ invokes embedded_H ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩
(c) embedded_H simulates ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩
(d) simulated ⟨Ĥ⟩ copies its input ⟨Ĥ⟩
(e) simulated ⟨Ĥ⟩ invokes simulated embedded_H ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩
(f) simulated embedded_H simulates ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩
(g) goto (d) with one more level of simulation
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You are supposed to evaluate the above as a contiguous
sequence of moves such that non-halting behavior is
identified.
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The above is an obvious tight loop of (d), (e), (f), and (g).
Its relevance (it any) to the topic of the discussion is not
obvious.
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When we compute the mapping from the input to embedded_H ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩
to the behavior specified by this input we know that embedded_H
is correct to transition to Ĥ.qn.
The meaning of "correct" in this context is that if the transition of
embedded_H ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ to Ĥ.qn is correct if H ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ transitions to H.qn but
incorrect otherwise.
No you are wrong. This is a mistake that has persisted since the
beginning. An executing Turing machine is not allowed to report
on its own behavior. Every decider is only allowed to report on
the behavior that its finite string input specifies.
The only case where the correct UTM simulation of an input
to a simulating halt decider differs from the direct execution
of this same input is when a simulating halt decider simulates
an input that calls itself.
No one ever bothered to notice this before only because they
always rejected the notion of a simulating halt decider
out-of-hand without review.
Professor Hehner noticed that the conventional HP input to
its decider does specify non-halting behavior:
From a programmer's point of view, if we apply an
interpreter to a program text that includes a call
to that same interpreter with that same text as
argument, then we have an infinite loop. A halting
program has some of the same character as an interpreter:
it applies to texts through abstract interpretation.
Unsurprisingly, if we apply a halting program to a program
text that includes a call to that same halting program
with that same text as argument, then we have an infinite
loop. (Hehner:2011:15)
[5] E C R Hehner. Problems with the Halting Problem,
COMPUTING2011 Symposium on 75 years of Turing Machine and
Lambda-Calculus, Karlsruhe Germany, invited, 2011 October
20-21; Advances in Computer Science and Engineering
v.10 n.1 p.31-60, 2013
https://www.cs.toronto.edu/~hehner/PHP.pdf-- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Geniushits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer