Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace

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Sujet : Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace
De : richard (at) *nospam* damon-family.org (Richard Damon)
Groupes : comp.theory
Date : 31. Jul 2024, 02:21:30
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On 7/30/24 7:40 PM, olcott wrote:
On 7/30/2024 2:00 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 2024-07-29 16:50:53 +0000, olcott said:
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On 7/28/2024 3:59 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 2024-07-27 20:05:31 +0000, olcott said:
If you had sufficient understanding of the x86 language
you would know that DDD is correctly emulated by HHH.
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If you had suffient understanding of x86 language and correctness
you would know that DDD is incorrectly emnulated by HHH.
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This is only seems that way because every reviewer makes sure
to ignore one aspect of the basis of another.
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It is perfectly OK to ignore irrelevant details. A relevant detail
is the meaning of the word "emulate" as that determines what is a
correct emulation and what is not.
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 *It is not OK to ignore*
 This algorithm is used by all the simulating termination analyzers:
<MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022>
     If simulating halt decider *H correctly simulates its input D*
     *until H correctly determines that its simulated D would never*
     *stop running unless aborted* then
      H can abort its simulation of D and correctly report that D
     specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations.
</MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022>
 for DDD correctly emulated by HHH until...
But correctly emulated by HHH until... is not correctly emulated by HHH.
If you stop doing something that you are supposed to continue doing, you haven't done it correctly.
Note, Professor Sipser statement is that if the decide can prove that the input would not halt if given to a totally correct simulator. Note, That means *THIS* input, exactly as given to H, which if it calls that H, includes still calling *THAT* H, not something else.
When we do that, and H does the abort and return, then the correct simulation sees the input call H which will then simulate for a while, abort and return and thus the correct simulation halts, and thus H could not have "correctly determined" that it didn't halt.
THus, H was just incorrect in its behavior.
You are just caught trying to play a shell game and LYING by changing the input.
Sorry, you are just proving that you are nothing but a pathetic ignorant pathological lying idiot who recklessly disregards the truth that has been shown him, becuase you have brainwashed yourself to beleive your own lies.

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26 Jul 24 * This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace112olcott
26 Jul 24 +* Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace3joes
26 Jul 24 i`* Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace2Mike Terry
26 Jul 24 i `- Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace1olcott
26 Jul 24 +* Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace50Mike Terry
26 Jul 24 i`* Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace49olcott
27 Jul 24 i +* Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace4Mikko
27 Jul 24 i i`* Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace3olcott
27 Jul 24 i i +- Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace1Fred. Zwarts
28 Jul 24 i i `- Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace1Richard Damon
27 Jul 24 i +- Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace1Fred. Zwarts
27 Jul 24 i +* Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace6Fred. Zwarts
27 Jul 24 i i`* Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace5olcott
27 Jul 24 i i +- Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace1Fred. Zwarts
27 Jul 24 i i +* Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace2joes
27 Jul 24 i i i`- Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace1olcott
28 Jul 24 i i `- Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace1Richard Damon
27 Jul 24 i `* Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace37Fred. Zwarts
27 Jul 24 i  `* Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace36olcott
27 Jul 24 i   +* Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace31Fred. Zwarts
27 Jul 24 i   i`* Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace30olcott
28 Jul 24 i   i +* Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace5Fred. Zwarts
28 Jul 24 i   i i`* Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace4olcott
28 Jul 24 i   i i +- Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace1Richard Damon
28 Jul 24 i   i i +- Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace1Fred. Zwarts
28 Jul 24 i   i i `- Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace1joes
28 Jul 24 i   i `* Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace24Mikko
29 Jul 24 i   i  `* Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace23olcott
29 Jul 24 i   i   +- Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace1Fred. Zwarts
30 Jul 24 i   i   +- Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace1Richard Damon
30 Jul 24 i   i   `* Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace20Mikko
31 Jul 24 i   i    `* Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace19olcott
31 Jul 24 i   i     +- Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace1Richard Damon
31 Jul 24 i   i     `* Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace17Mikko
31 Jul 24 i   i      +* Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace14olcott
1 Aug 24 i   i      i`* Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace13Mikko
1 Aug 24 i   i      i `* Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace12olcott
1 Aug 24 i   i      i  +* Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace10Fred. Zwarts
1 Aug 24 i   i      i  i`* Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace9olcott
1 Aug 24 i   i      i  i +- Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace1Fred. Zwarts
1 Aug 24 i   i      i  i `* Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace7joes
1 Aug 24 i   i      i  i  `* Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace6olcott
1 Aug 24 i   i      i  i   +* Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace3Fred. Zwarts
1 Aug 24 i   i      i  i   i`* Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace2olcott
2 Aug 24 i   i      i  i   i `- Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace1Fred. Zwarts
1 Aug 24 i   i      i  i   `* Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace2joes
1 Aug 24 i   i      i  i    `- Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace1olcott
2 Aug 24 i   i      i  `- Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace1Mikko
31 Jul 24 i   i      `* Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace2olcott
1 Aug 24 i   i       `- Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace1Mikko
28 Jul 24 i   `* Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace4Mikko
29 Jul 24 i    `* HHH(Infinite_Recursion) and HHH(DDD) derive same non-halting execution trace3olcott
29 Jul 24 i     +- Re: HHH(Infinite_Recursion) and HHH(DDD) derive same non-halting execution trace1Fred. Zwarts
30 Jul 24 i     `- Re: HHH(Infinite_Recursion) and HHH(DDD) derive same non-halting execution trace1Mikko
27 Jul 24 +- Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace1Richard Damon
27 Jul 24 +* Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace56Fred. Zwarts
27 Jul 24 i`* Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace55olcott
27 Jul 24 i `* Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace54Fred. Zwarts
27 Jul 24 i  `* Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace53olcott
27 Jul 24 i   +* Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace50Alan Mackenzie
27 Jul 24 i   i+* Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace17olcott
27 Jul 24 i   ii+* Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace9Alan Mackenzie
27 Jul 24 i   iii`* Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace8olcott
27 Jul 24 i   iii `* Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace7Alan Mackenzie
27 Jul 24 i   iii  `* Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace6olcott
27 Jul 24 i   iii   `* Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace5Alan Mackenzie
28 Jul 24 i   iii    `* Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace4olcott
28 Jul 24 i   iii     `* Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace3Alan Mackenzie
28 Jul 24 i   iii      `* Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace2olcott
28 Jul 24 i   iii       `- Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace1Richard Damon
28 Jul 24 i   ii`* Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace7Mikko
29 Jul 24 i   ii `* Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace6olcott
29 Jul 24 i   ii  +- Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace1Richard Damon
29 Jul 24 i   ii  `* Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace4Mikko
29 Jul 24 i   ii   `* Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace3olcott
29 Jul 24 i   ii    +- Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace1Fred. Zwarts
30 Jul 24 i   ii    `- Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace1Mikko
28 Jul 24 i   i+* Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace27Mike Terry
28 Jul 24 i   ii+- Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace1Richard Damon
28 Jul 24 i   ii+* Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace21olcott
28 Jul 24 i   iii+- Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace1Richard Damon
28 Jul 24 i   iii`* Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace19Fred. Zwarts
28 Jul 24 i   iii `* HHH(DDD) sees the exact same behavior pattern as HHH(Infinite_Recursion)18olcott
28 Jul 24 i   iii  +- Re: HHH(DDD) does not see the exact same behavior pattern as HHH(Infinite_Recursion)1Richard Damon
28 Jul 24 i   iii  `* Re: HHH(DDD) sees the exact same behavior pattern as HHH(Infinite_Recursion)16Fred. Zwarts
28 Jul 24 i   iii   `* Re: HHH(DDD) sees the exact same behavior pattern as HHH(Infinite_Recursion)15olcott
28 Jul 24 i   iii    +- Re: HHH(DDD) sees the exact same behavior pattern as HHH(Infinite_Recursion) unless it can abort.1Richard Damon
29 Jul 24 i   iii    `* Re: HHH(DDD) sees the exact same behavior pattern as HHH(Infinite_Recursion)13Fred. Zwarts
29 Jul 24 i   iii     `* Re: HHH(DDD) sees the exact same behavior pattern as HHH(Infinite_Recursion)12olcott
29 Jul 24 i   iii      `* Re: HHH(DDD) sees the exact same behavior pattern as HHH(Infinite_Recursion)11Fred. Zwarts
30 Jul 24 i   iii       `* Re: HHH(DDD) sees the exact same behavior pattern as HHH(Infinite_Recursion)10Mike Terry
30 Jul 24 i   iii        `* Re: HHH(DDD) sees the exact same behavior pattern as HHH(Infinite_Recursion)9olcott
30 Jul 24 i   iii         +- Re: HHH(DDD) does not see the exact same behavior pattern as HHH(Infinite_Recursion) OLCOTTS ERROR1Richard Damon
30 Jul 24 i   iii         +* Re: HHH(DDD) sees the exact same behavior pattern as HHH(Infinite_Recursion)6joes
31 Jul 24 i   iii         i`* Re: HHH(DDD) sees the exact same behavior pattern as HHH(Infinite_Recursion)5Mike Terry
31 Jul 24 i   iii         i `* Linz proof is essentially isomorphic4olcott
31 Jul 24 i   iii         i  `* Re: Linz proof is essentially isomorphic3Richard Damon
31 Jul 24 i   iii         i   `* Re: Linz proof is essentially isomorphic2olcott
31 Jul 24 i   iii         i    `- Re: Linz proof is essentially isomorphic1Richard Damon
30 Jul 24 i   iii         `- Re: HHH(DDD) sees the exact same behavior pattern as HHH(Infinite_Recursion)1Fred. Zwarts
28 Jul 24 i   ii`* Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace4Alan Mackenzie
28 Jul 24 i   i`* Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace5Mikko
27 Jul 24 i   `* Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace2Fred. Zwarts
3 Aug 24 `- Re: This function proves that only the outermost HHH examines the execution trace1Mikko

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