Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider

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Sujet : Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider
De : abc (at) *nospam* def.com (olcott)
Groupes : comp.theory
Date : 04. Aug 2024, 20:33:36
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On 8/4/2024 2:05 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
On 8/4/24 2:49 PM, olcott wrote:
On 8/4/2024 1:38 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
On 8/4/24 10:46 AM, olcott wrote:
When we define an input that does the opposite of whatever
value that its halt decider reports there is a way for the
halt decider to report correctly.
>
int DD()
{
   int Halt_Status = HHH(DD);
   if (Halt_Status)
     HERE: goto HERE;
   return Halt_Status;
}
>
int main()
{
   HHH(DD);
}
>
HHH returns false indicating that it cannot
correctly determine that its input halts.
True would mean that its input halts.
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>
But false indicates that the input does not halt, but it does.
>
>
I made a mistake that I corrected on a forum that allows
editing: *Defining a correct halting decidability decider*
1=input does halt
0=input cannot be decided to halt
 And thus, not a halt decider.
 Sorry, you are just showing your ignorance.
 And, the problem is that a given DD *CAN* be decided about halting, just not by HHH, so "can not be decided" is not a correct answer.
A single universal decider can correctly determine whether
or not an input could possibly be denial-of-service-attack.
0=yes does not halt or pathological self-reference
1=no  halts
--
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Date Sujet#  Auteur
4 Aug 24 * Defining a correct halt decider67olcott
4 Aug 24 +* Re: Defining a correct halt decider45Richard Damon
4 Aug 24 i`* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider44olcott
4 Aug 24 i `* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider43Richard Damon
4 Aug 24 i  `* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider42olcott
4 Aug 24 i   +* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider20Richard Damon
4 Aug 24 i   i`* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider19olcott
4 Aug 24 i   i `* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider18Richard Damon
4 Aug 24 i   i  `* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider17olcott
5 Aug 24 i   i   `* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider16Richard Damon
5 Aug 24 i   i    `* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider15olcott
5 Aug 24 i   i     `* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider14Richard Damon
5 Aug 24 i   i      `* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider13olcott
5 Aug 24 i   i       `* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider12Richard Damon
5 Aug 24 i   i        `* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider11olcott
5 Aug 24 i   i         `* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider10Richard Damon
5 Aug 24 i   i          `* You still seem too dishonest to admit that DDD correctly emulated by any HHH cannot possibly reach its own ,"return" instruction9olcott
5 Aug 24 i   i           `* Re: You still seem too dishonest to admit that DDD correctly emulated by any HHH cannot possibly reach its own ,"return" instruction8Richard Damon
5 Aug 24 i   i            `* Re: You still seem too dishonest to admit that DDD correctly emulated by any HHH cannot possibly reach its own ,"return" instruction7olcott
5 Aug 24 i   i             `* Re: You still seem too dishonest to admit that DDD correctly emulated by any HHH cannot possibly reach its own ,"return" instruction6Richard Damon
5 Aug 24 i   i              `* Re: You still seem too dishonest to admit that DDD correctly emulated by any HHH cannot possibly reach its own ,"return" instruction5olcott
5 Aug 24 i   i               `* Re: You still seem too dishonest to admit that DDD correctly emulated by any HHH cannot possibly reach its own ,"return" instruction4Richard Damon
5 Aug 24 i   i                `* Re: You still seem too dishonest to admit that DDD correctly emulated by any HHH cannot possibly reach its own ,"return" instruction3wij
5 Aug 24 i   i                 `* Re: You still seem too dishonest to admit that DDD correctly emulated by any HHH cannot possibly reach its own ,"return" instruction2olcott
6 Aug 24 i   i                  `- Re: Olcott still seems too dishonest to admit that his HHH doesn't correctly emulate DDD1Richard Damon
7 Aug 24 i   `* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider21Mikko
7 Aug 24 i    `* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider20olcott
8 Aug 24 i     +- Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider (Which isn't a valid criteria for a decider)1Richard Damon
8 Aug 24 i     `* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider18Mikko
8 Aug 24 i      `* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider17olcott
8 Aug 24 i       +* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider4Python
8 Aug 24 i       i`* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider3olcott
9 Aug 24 i       i +- Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider1Richard Damon
9 Aug 24 i       i `- Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider1Python
9 Aug 24 i       +- Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider1Richard Damon
9 Aug 24 i       `* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider11Mikko
9 Aug 24 i        `* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider10olcott
10 Aug 24 i         +- Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider1Richard Damon
10 Aug 24 i         `* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider8Mikko
10 Aug 24 i          `* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider7olcott
10 Aug 24 i           +* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider3Richard Damon
10 Aug 24 i           i`* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider2olcott
10 Aug 24 i           i `- Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider1Richard Damon
11 Aug 24 i           `* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider3Mikko
11 Aug 24 i            `* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider2olcott
11 Aug 24 i             `- Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider1Richard Damon
5 Aug 24 `* Re: Defining a correct halt decider21Mikko
5 Aug 24  `* I call it a halting decidability decider20olcott
5 Aug 24   +* Re: I call it a halting decidability decider14Python
5 Aug 24   i`* Re: I call it a halting decidability decider13olcott
6 Aug 24   i +* Re: I call it a halting decidability decider, and thus isn't actually a computability decider.5Richard Damon
6 Aug 24   i i`* Re: I call it a halting decidability decider, and thus isn't actually a computability decider.4olcott
6 Aug 24   i i `* Re: I call it a halting decidability decider, and thus isn't actually a computability decider.3Richard Damon
6 Aug 24   i i  `* Re: I call it a halting decidability decider, and thus isn't actually a computability decider.2olcott
6 Aug 24   i i   `- Re: I call it a halting decidability decider, and thus isn't actually a computability decider.1Richard Damon
7 Aug 24   i `* Re: I call it a halting decidability decider7Mikko
7 Aug 24   i  `* HHH decides a non-trivial semantic property of its input6olcott
8 Aug 24   i   +- Re: HHH decides a trivial semantic non-property of its input1Richard Damon
8 Aug 24   i   +* Re: HHH decides a non-trivial semantic property of its input3Mikko
8 Aug 24   i   i`* Re: HHH decides a non-trivial semantic property of its input2olcott
9 Aug 24   i   i `- Re: HHH decides a non-trivial semantic property of its input1Richard Damon
8 Aug 24   i   `- Re: HHH decides a trivial non-semantic non-property of its input1Richard Damon
6 Aug 24   +- Re: I call it a halting decidability decider, and thus doesn't say anything about the halting problem1Richard Damon
7 Aug 24   `* Re: I call it a halting decidability decider4Mikko
7 Aug 24    `* Re: I call it a halting decidability decider3olcott
8 Aug 24     +- Re: I call it a halting decidability decider1Richard Damon
8 Aug 24     `- Re: I call it a halting decidability decider1Mikko

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