Re: I call it a halting decidability decider

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Sujet : Re: I call it a halting decidability decider
De : mikko.levanto (at) *nospam* iki.fi (Mikko)
Groupes : comp.theory
Date : 07. Aug 2024, 08:04:14
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On 2024-08-05 11:50:53 +0000, olcott said:

On 8/5/2024 3:08 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 2024-08-04 14:46:02 +0000, olcott said:
 
When we define an input that does the opposite of whatever
value that its halt decider reports there is a way for the
halt decider to report correctly.
 int DD()
{
   int Halt_Status = HHH(DD);
   if (Halt_Status)
     HERE: goto HERE;
   return Halt_Status;
}
 int main()
{
   HHH(DD);
}
 HHH returns false indicating that it cannot
correctly determine that its input halts.
True would mean that its input halts.
 That is called a "partial halt decider". The set of requirements is
a subset of the requirements for "halt decider" but still require
that the answer is not "halts" if the input does not halt and that
the answer is not "does not halt" if the input halts. The difference
is that a "halt decider" is required to give one of these answers
for every input but a "partial halt decider" is not.
 For every computation there is a partial halt decider that answers it.
 
 I call it a halting decidability decider.
1=input halts
0=input does not halt or has pathological relationship with its decider
There is no "its decider". The identity of the decider is not a property
of the input.
--
Mikko

Date Sujet#  Auteur
4 Aug 24 * Defining a correct halt decider67olcott
4 Aug 24 +* Re: Defining a correct halt decider45Richard Damon
4 Aug 24 i`* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider44olcott
4 Aug 24 i `* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider43Richard Damon
4 Aug 24 i  `* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider42olcott
4 Aug 24 i   +* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider20Richard Damon
4 Aug 24 i   i`* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider19olcott
4 Aug 24 i   i `* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider18Richard Damon
4 Aug 24 i   i  `* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider17olcott
5 Aug 24 i   i   `* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider16Richard Damon
5 Aug 24 i   i    `* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider15olcott
5 Aug 24 i   i     `* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider14Richard Damon
5 Aug 24 i   i      `* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider13olcott
5 Aug 24 i   i       `* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider12Richard Damon
5 Aug 24 i   i        `* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider11olcott
5 Aug 24 i   i         `* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider10Richard Damon
5 Aug 24 i   i          `* You still seem too dishonest to admit that DDD correctly emulated by any HHH cannot possibly reach its own ,"return" instruction9olcott
5 Aug 24 i   i           `* Re: You still seem too dishonest to admit that DDD correctly emulated by any HHH cannot possibly reach its own ,"return" instruction8Richard Damon
5 Aug 24 i   i            `* Re: You still seem too dishonest to admit that DDD correctly emulated by any HHH cannot possibly reach its own ,"return" instruction7olcott
5 Aug 24 i   i             `* Re: You still seem too dishonest to admit that DDD correctly emulated by any HHH cannot possibly reach its own ,"return" instruction6Richard Damon
5 Aug 24 i   i              `* Re: You still seem too dishonest to admit that DDD correctly emulated by any HHH cannot possibly reach its own ,"return" instruction5olcott
5 Aug 24 i   i               `* Re: You still seem too dishonest to admit that DDD correctly emulated by any HHH cannot possibly reach its own ,"return" instruction4Richard Damon
5 Aug 24 i   i                `* Re: You still seem too dishonest to admit that DDD correctly emulated by any HHH cannot possibly reach its own ,"return" instruction3wij
5 Aug 24 i   i                 `* Re: You still seem too dishonest to admit that DDD correctly emulated by any HHH cannot possibly reach its own ,"return" instruction2olcott
6 Aug 24 i   i                  `- Re: Olcott still seems too dishonest to admit that his HHH doesn't correctly emulate DDD1Richard Damon
7 Aug 24 i   `* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider21Mikko
7 Aug 24 i    `* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider20olcott
8 Aug 24 i     +- Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider (Which isn't a valid criteria for a decider)1Richard Damon
8 Aug 24 i     `* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider18Mikko
8 Aug 24 i      `* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider17olcott
8 Aug 24 i       +* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider4Python
8 Aug 24 i       i`* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider3olcott
9 Aug 24 i       i +- Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider1Richard Damon
9 Aug 24 i       i `- Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider1Python
9 Aug 24 i       +- Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider1Richard Damon
9 Aug 24 i       `* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider11Mikko
9 Aug 24 i        `* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider10olcott
10 Aug 24 i         +- Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider1Richard Damon
10 Aug 24 i         `* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider8Mikko
10 Aug 24 i          `* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider7olcott
10 Aug 24 i           +* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider3Richard Damon
10 Aug 24 i           i`* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider2olcott
10 Aug 24 i           i `- Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider1Richard Damon
11 Aug 24 i           `* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider3Mikko
11 Aug 24 i            `* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider2olcott
11 Aug 24 i             `- Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider1Richard Damon
5 Aug 24 `* Re: Defining a correct halt decider21Mikko
5 Aug 24  `* I call it a halting decidability decider20olcott
5 Aug 24   +* Re: I call it a halting decidability decider14Python
5 Aug 24   i`* Re: I call it a halting decidability decider13olcott
6 Aug 24   i +* Re: I call it a halting decidability decider, and thus isn't actually a computability decider.5Richard Damon
6 Aug 24   i i`* Re: I call it a halting decidability decider, and thus isn't actually a computability decider.4olcott
6 Aug 24   i i `* Re: I call it a halting decidability decider, and thus isn't actually a computability decider.3Richard Damon
6 Aug 24   i i  `* Re: I call it a halting decidability decider, and thus isn't actually a computability decider.2olcott
6 Aug 24   i i   `- Re: I call it a halting decidability decider, and thus isn't actually a computability decider.1Richard Damon
7 Aug 24   i `* Re: I call it a halting decidability decider7Mikko
7 Aug 24   i  `* HHH decides a non-trivial semantic property of its input6olcott
8 Aug 24   i   +- Re: HHH decides a trivial semantic non-property of its input1Richard Damon
8 Aug 24   i   +* Re: HHH decides a non-trivial semantic property of its input3Mikko
8 Aug 24   i   i`* Re: HHH decides a non-trivial semantic property of its input2olcott
9 Aug 24   i   i `- Re: HHH decides a non-trivial semantic property of its input1Richard Damon
8 Aug 24   i   `- Re: HHH decides a trivial non-semantic non-property of its input1Richard Damon
6 Aug 24   +- Re: I call it a halting decidability decider, and thus doesn't say anything about the halting problem1Richard Damon
7 Aug 24   `* Re: I call it a halting decidability decider4Mikko
7 Aug 24    `* Re: I call it a halting decidability decider3olcott
8 Aug 24     +- Re: I call it a halting decidability decider1Richard Damon
8 Aug 24     `- Re: I call it a halting decidability decider1Mikko

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