Re: V5 --- Professor Sipser --- Execution trace of simulating termination analyzer HHH on DDD input

Op 25.aug.2024 om 14:24 schreef olcott:

On 8/25/2024 2:51 AM, Mikko wrote:

On 2024-08-24 20:08:05 +0000, olcott said:
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On 8/24/2024 2:44 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:

Op 24.aug.2024 om 15:21 schreef olcott:

On 8/24/2024 3:47 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:

Op 23.aug.2024 om 23:40 schreef olcott:

On 8/23/2024 2:24 AM, joes wrote:

Am Thu, 22 Aug 2024 12:42:59 -0500 schrieb olcott:

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Only IF it will in fact keep repeating, which is not the case.

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Only IF it *WOULD* in fact keep repeating, *which is the case*
Only IF it *WOULD* in fact keep repeating, *which is the case*
Only IF it *WOULD* in fact keep repeating, *which is the case*
Only IF it *WOULD* in fact keep repeating, *which is the case*

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It is the case only if you still cheat with the Root variable, which makes that HHH processes a non-input, when it is requested to predict the behaviour of the input.

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<MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022>
     If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its input D
     until H correctly determines that its simulated D would never
     stop running unless aborted then
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     H can abort its simulation of D and correctly report that D
     specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations.
</MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022>
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The fact is that it *WOULD* in fact keep repeating,
thus *IT DOES* get the correct answer.

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The fact is that it only happens because you make it so with cheating with the Root variable.

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That THE DECISION IS CORRECT makes moot how the decision was made.
If HHH simply took a wild guess HHH would still be correct.

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To say "no" about a halting program means that what said "no"
is not a halt decider.
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<MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022>
      If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its input D
      until H correctly determines that its simulated D would never
      stop running unless aborted then
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No matter how you try to twist those words HHH/DDD do meet that criteria.
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(a) When you are hungry you will remain hungry until you eat.

 And if you are not hungry, there is no need to eat.