Re: V5 --- Professor Sipser

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Sujet : Re: V5 --- Professor Sipser
De : mikko.levanto (at) *nospam* iki.fi (Mikko)
Groupes : comp.theory
Date : 27. Aug 2024, 09:12:46
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On 2024-08-21 20:01:38 +0000, olcott said:

On 8/21/2024 2:55 PM, joes wrote:
Am Wed, 21 Aug 2024 13:52:46 -0500 schrieb olcott:>> You keep missing the idea that HHH does a partial simulation of DDD to
predict what would happen if this HHH never aborted its simulation of
DDD.
 
That HHH is not simulating itself.
 
 <MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022>
     If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its input D
     until H correctly determines that its simulated D would never
     stop running unless aborted then
      H can abort its simulation of D and correctly report that D
     specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations.
</MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022>
 HHH only needs to simulate itself simulating DDD once to
   correctly determine that its simulated DDD would
   never stop running unless aborted...
It seems to be unable to simulate even once beyond the call to HHH.
--
Mikko

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