Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)

Liste des GroupesRevenir à theory 
Sujet : Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)
De : F.Zwarts (at) *nospam* HetNet.nl (Fred. Zwarts)
Groupes : comp.theory
Date : 27. Aug 2024, 09:38:24
Autres entêtes
Organisation : A noiseless patient Spider
Message-ID : <vak3a0$2teq9$1@dont-email.me>
References : 1
User-Agent : Mozilla Thunderbird
Op 27.aug.2024 om 04:33 schreef olcott:
This is intended to be a stand-alone post that does not
reference anything else mentioned in any other posts.
 void DDD()
{
   HHH(DDD);
   return;
}
 _DDD()
[00002172] 55         push ebp      ; housekeeping
[00002173] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   ; housekeeping
[00002175] 6872210000 push 00002172 ; push DDD
[0000217a] e853f4ffff call 000015d2 ; call HHH(DDD)
[0000217f] 83c404     add esp,+04
[00002182] 5d         pop ebp
[00002183] c3         ret
Size in bytes:(0018) [00002183]
 When we assume that:
(a) HHH is an x86 emulator that is in the same memory space as DDD.
(b) HHH emulates DDD according to the semantics of the x86 language.
 then we can see that DDD emulated by HHH cannot possibly get past
its own machine address 0000217a.
 
Yes, we see. In fact DDD is not needed at all.
In the following program
        int main() {
          return HHH(main);
        }
HHH cannot possibly simulate itself up to the end of itself. Still HHH halts, which proves that there is an end. The only conclusion is, that the simulation is incomplete and therefore incorrect.
Further it is incorrect to think that the fact that the simulation halts too soon is an indication for non-halting behaviour. The analysis of that 'special condition' is the real problem, not the partial incorrect simulation.

Date Sujet#  Auteur
27 Aug 24 * DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)100olcott
27 Aug 24 +* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)4Mikko
27 Aug 24 i`* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)3olcott
28 Aug 24 i +- Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)1Richard Damon
28 Aug 24 i `- Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)1Mikko
27 Aug 24 +* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)94Fred. Zwarts
27 Aug 24 i`* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)93olcott
28 Aug 24 i +* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)69Mikko
28 Aug 24 i i`* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)68olcott
29 Aug 24 i i `* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)67Mikko
29 Aug 24 i i  `* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)66olcott
29 Aug 24 i i   +* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)10Fred. Zwarts
29 Aug 24 i i   i+* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)6olcott
29 Aug 24 i i   ii+* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)4Fred. Zwarts
29 Aug 24 i i   iii`* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)3olcott
29 Aug 24 i i   iii +- Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)1Fred. Zwarts
30 Aug 24 i i   iii `- Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)1Richard Damon
30 Aug 24 i i   ii`- Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)1Richard Damon
29 Aug 24 i i   i`* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)3olcott
29 Aug 24 i i   i +- Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)1Fred. Zwarts
30 Aug 24 i i   i `- Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)1Richard Damon
30 Aug 24 i i   +- Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)1Richard Damon
30 Aug 24 i i   +- Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)1Mikko
30 Aug 24 i i   `* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)53joes
30 Aug 24 i i    `* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)52olcott
30 Aug 24 i i     +- Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)1Richard Damon
31 Aug 24 i i     `* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)50Fred. Zwarts
31 Aug 24 i i      `* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)49olcott
31 Aug 24 i i       +* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)47Fred. Zwarts
31 Aug 24 i i       i`* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)46olcott
31 Aug 24 i i       i +- Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)1Richard Damon
31 Aug 24 i i       i +* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)34Fred. Zwarts
31 Aug 24 i i       i i+* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)31olcott
31 Aug 24 i i       i ii+- Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)1Richard Damon
1 Sep 24 i i       i ii+- Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)1Fred. Zwarts
1 Sep 24 i i       i ii`* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)28Mikko
2 Sep 24 i i       i ii `* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)27olcott
2 Sep 24 i i       i ii  +- Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)1Richard Damon
3 Sep 24 i i       i ii  +* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)24Mikko
3 Sep 24 i i       i ii  i`* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)23olcott
4 Sep 24 i i       i ii  i +- Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)1Richard Damon
4 Sep 24 i i       i ii  i +* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)4Fred. Zwarts
4 Sep 24 i i       i ii  i i`* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)3olcott
5 Sep 24 i i       i ii  i i +- Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)1Richard Damon
5 Sep 24 i i       i ii  i i `- Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)1Fred. Zwarts
6 Sep 24 i i       i ii  i `* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)17Mikko
6 Sep 24 i i       i ii  i  `* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)16olcott
6 Sep 24 i i       i ii  i   +- Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)1Richard Damon
6 Sep 24 i i       i ii  i   +- Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)1joes
7 Sep 24 i i       i ii  i   +* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)12Mikko
7 Sep 24 i i       i ii  i   i`* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)11olcott
7 Sep 24 i i       i ii  i   i +- Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)1Richard Damon
8 Sep 24 i i       i ii  i   i +* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)8Mikko
8 Sep 24 i i       i ii  i   i i`* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)7olcott
8 Sep 24 i i       i ii  i   i i +* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)5Mikko
9 Sep 24 i i       i ii  i   i i i`* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)4olcott
10 Sep 24 i i       i ii  i   i i i +- Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)1Richard Damon
10 Sep 24 i i       i ii  i   i i i +- Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)1Mikko
10 Sep 24 i i       i ii  i   i i i `- Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)1Fred. Zwarts
8 Sep 24 i i       i ii  i   i i `- Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)1Richard Damon
8 Sep 24 i i       i ii  i   i `- Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)1Fred. Zwarts
7 Sep 24 i i       i ii  i   `- Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)1Fred. Zwarts
3 Sep 24 i i       i ii  `- Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)1joes
31 Aug 24 i i       i i`* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)2olcott
1 Sep 24 i i       i i `- Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)1Fred. Zwarts
31 Aug 24 i i       i `* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)10joes
31 Aug 24 i i       i  `* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)9olcott
31 Aug 24 i i       i   +- Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)1Richard Damon
1 Sep 24 i i       i   +* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)3joes
2 Sep 24 i i       i   i`* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)2olcott
2 Sep 24 i i       i   i `- Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)1Richard Damon
1 Sep 24 i i       i   `* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)4Fred. Zwarts
2 Sep 24 i i       i    `* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)3olcott
2 Sep 24 i i       i     +- Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)1Richard Damon
2 Sep 24 i i       i     `- Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)1Fred. Zwarts
31 Aug 24 i i       `- Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)1Richard Damon
28 Aug 24 i `* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)23Fred. Zwarts
28 Aug 24 i  `* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)22olcott
28 Aug 24 i   +* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)20Fred. Zwarts
28 Aug 24 i   i`* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)19olcott
28 Aug 24 i   i +* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)17Fred. Zwarts
28 Aug 24 i   i i`* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)16olcott
28 Aug 24 i   i i +* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)14Fred. Zwarts
28 Aug 24 i   i i i`* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)13olcott
28 Aug 24 i   i i i +* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)11Fred. Zwarts
28 Aug 24 i   i i i i`* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)10olcott
28 Aug 24 i   i i i i +- Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)1Fred. Zwarts
28 Aug 24 i   i i i i +* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)7joes
28 Aug 24 i   i i i i i`* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)6olcott
28 Aug 24 i   i i i i i +- Re: Olcott emasculated by everyone --- (does not refer to prior posts)1John Smith
29 Aug 24 i   i i i i i +- Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)1Richard Damon
30 Aug 24 i   i i i i i `* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)3joes
30 Aug 24 i   i i i i i  `* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)2olcott
30 Aug 24 i   i i i i i   `- Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)1Richard Damon
29 Aug 24 i   i i i i `- Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)1Richard Damon
29 Aug 24 i   i i i `- Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)1Richard Damon
29 Aug 24 i   i i `- Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)1Richard Damon
29 Aug 24 i   i `- Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)1Richard Damon
29 Aug 24 i   `- Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)1Mikko
27 Aug 24 `- Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)1Richard Damon

Haut de la page

Les messages affichés proviennent d'usenet.

NewsPortal