Re: Ben Bacarisse fails understand that deciders COMPUTE THE MAPPING FROM INPUTS

On 8/30/2024 8:46 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:

Op 30.aug.2024 om 15:05 schreef olcott:

On 8/30/2024 3:32 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:

Op 29.aug.2024 om 23:13 schreef olcott:

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One cannot simply ignore the actual behavior of DDD emulated
by HHH according to the semantics of the x86 language because
this actual behavior is not the behavior that one expects or
one would like to have.

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You cannot deny the semantics of the x86 language simply because you do not like it, or you prefer another behaviour.
The specification of the semantics of the x86 language does not give room for a context depending interpretation. It is independent on which processor, or which simulator processes this finite string.
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*This is before any aborting occurs*
*This is before any aborting occurs*
*This is before any aborting occurs*
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The behavior of
the directly executed DDD and executed HHH
is different from the behavior of
the emulated DDD and the emulated HHH

 Not according to the unmodified world calls simulator, which, when given the same input shows that the DDD based on the aborting HHH, halts.
 

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and all four of them are emulated by the world
class x86 emulator libx86emu
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It is easy to see that when the executed HHH emulates
DDD that it does this correctly when we look at the
execution trace and see the the first four instructions
of DDD are listed.
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_DDD()
[00002172] 55         push ebp      ; housekeeping
[00002173] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   ; housekeeping
[00002175] 6872210000 push 00002172 ; push DDD
[0000217a] e853f4ffff call 000015d2 ; call HHH(DDD)
[0000217f] 83c404     add esp,+04
[00002182] 5d         pop ebp
[00002183] c3         ret
Size in bytes:(0018) [00002183]
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New slave_stack at:1038c4
Begin Local Halt Decider Simulation   Execution Trace Stored at:1138cc
[00002172][001138bc][001138c0] 55         push ebp      ; housekeeping
[00002173][001138bc][001138c0] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   ; housekeeping
[00002175][001138b8][00002172] 6872210000 push 00002172 ; push DDD
[0000217a][001138b4][0000217f] e853f4ffff call 000015d2 ; call HHH(DDD)
New slave_stack at:14e2ec
[00002172][0015e2e4][0015e2e8] 55         push ebp      ; housekeeping
[00002173][0015e2e4][0015e2e8] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   ; housekeeping
[00002175][0015e2e0][00002172] 6872210000 push 00002172 ; push DDD
[0000217a][0015e2dc][0000217f] e853f4ffff call 000015d2 ; call HHH(DDD)
Local Halt Decider: Infinite Recursion Detected Simulation Stopped
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Then this emulated DDD calls an emulated HHH(DDD).
It is easy to see that when the executed HHH emulates
itself emulated DDD that it does this correctly when we
look at the execution trace and see the the first four
instructions of DDD are listed again.
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And after a few recursions HHH sees a 'special condition' after which it aborts and halt.

If you cannot see that this special condition conclusively
proves that HHH must abort its emulation of DDD to prevent
the infinite exection of DDD then you have insufficient
technical competence.
If you can see this then you understand that this criteria has been met:
<MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022>
     If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its input D
     until H correctly determines that its simulated D would never
     stop running unless aborted then
<MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022>
Here is is with 100 millions instructions and NO ABORT
_DDD()
[00002137] 55               push ebp
[00002138] 8bec             mov ebp,esp
[0000213a] 6837210000       push 00002137
[0000213f] e853f4ffff       call 00001597
[00002144] 83c404           add esp,+04
[00002147] 5d               pop ebp
[00002148] c3               ret
Size in bytes:(0018) [00002148]
_main()
[00002157] 55               push ebp
[00002158] 8bec             mov ebp,esp
[0000215a] e8d8ffffff       call 00002137
[0000215f] 33c0             xor eax,eax
[00002161] 5d               pop ebp
[00002162] c3               ret
Size in bytes:(0012) [00002162]
  machine   stack     stack     machine    assembly
  address   address   data      code       language
  ========  ========  ========  =========  =============
[00002157][0010379f][00000000] 55               push ebp
[00002158][0010379f][00000000] 8bec             mov ebp,esp
[0000215a][0010379b][0000215f] e8d8ffffff       call 00002137
[00002137][00103797][0010379f] 55               push ebp
[00002138][00103797][0010379f] 8bec             mov ebp,esp
[0000213a][00103793][00002137] 6837210000       push 00002137
[0000213f][0010378f][00002144] e853f4ffff       call 00001597
New slave_stack at:103843
Begin Local Halt Decider Simulation   Execution Trace Stored at:11384b
[00002137][0011383b][0011383f] 55               push ebp
[00002138][0011383b][0011383f] 8bec             mov ebp,esp
[0000213a][00113837][00002137] 6837210000       push 00002137
[0000213f][00113833][00002144] e853f4ffff       call 00001597
New slave_stack at:14e26b
[00002137][0015e263][0015e267] 55               push ebp
[00002138][0015e263][0015e267] 8bec             mov ebp,esp
[0000213a][0015e25f][00002137] 6837210000       push 00002137
[0000213f][0015e25b][00002144] e853f4ffff       call 00001597
New slave_stack at:15e30b
[00002137][0016e303][0016e307] 55               push ebp
[00002138][0016e303][0016e307] 8bec             mov ebp,esp
[0000213a][0016e2ff][00002137] 6837210000       push 00002137
[0000213f][0016e2fb][00002144] e853f4ffff       call 00001597
New slave_stack at:16e3ab
[00002137][0017e3a3][0017e3a7] 55               push ebp
[00002138][0017e3a3][0017e3a7] 8bec             mov ebp,esp
[0000213a][0017e39f][00002137] 6837210000       push 00002137
[0000213f][0017e39b][00002144] e853f4ffff       call 00001597
New slave_stack at:17e44b
[00002137][0018e443][0018e447] 55               push ebp
[00002138][0018e443][0018e447] 8bec             mov ebp,esp
[0000213a][0018e43f][00002137] 6837210000       push 00002137
[0000213f][0018e43b][00002144] e853f4ffff       call 00001597
Number of Instructions Executed(100000000) == 1492537 Pages
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