Re: Pathological self-reference changes the semantics of the same finite string.

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Sujet : Re: Pathological self-reference changes the semantics of the same finite string.
De : polcott333 (at) *nospam* gmail.com (olcott)
Groupes : comp.theory
Date : 31. Aug 2024, 16:33:01
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On 8/31/2024 10:24 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
Op 31.aug.2024 om 14:26 schreef olcott:
On 8/30/2024 8:22 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 2024-08-30 12:57:49 +0000, olcott said:
>
On 8/30/2024 3:11 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 2024-08-29 17:53:44 +0000, olcott said:
>
I just proved that the basic notion of finite strings
having unique meanings independently of their context
is incorrect.
>
The context is the halting problem.
>
The behavior of
the directly executed DDD and executed HHH
is different from the behavior of
the emulated DDD and the emulated HHH
>
The correct behaviour is the computation that the user wants to
ask about. If the input string specifies a different behaviour
then the input string is worng, not the behaviour.
>
>
int sum(int x, int y) { return x + y; }
And in the exact same way Bill wants to get the
sum of 5+6 from sum(3,2).
>
HHH must use its actual input as its basis
and it not allowed to use anything else.
 HHH is given a finite string of a halting program.
ARE YOU FREAKING BRAIN DEAD?
HALTING ONLY MEANS REACHING A FINAL HALT STATE
AND DDD EMULATED BY HHH CANNOT POSSIBLY DO THIS.
void DDD()
{
   HHH(DDD);
   return;
}
_DDD()
[00002172] 55         push ebp      ; housekeeping
[00002173] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   ; housekeeping
[00002175] 6872210000 push 00002172 ; push DDD
[0000217a] e853f4ffff call 000015d2 ; call HHH(DDD)
[0000217f] 83c404     add esp,+04
[00002182] 5d         pop ebp
[00002183] c3         ret
Size in bytes:(0018) [00002183]
--
Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

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