Re: ChatGPT explains why HHH(DDD) correctly rejects its input even though the executed DDD() halts

On 10/11/24 11:21 PM, olcott wrote:

On 10/11/2024 10:12 PM, Richard Damon wrote:

On 10/11/24 10:46 PM, olcott wrote:

https://chatgpt.com/share/6709e046-4794-8011-98b7-27066fb49f3e
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This link is live for the world. You can click on it
and try to convince ChatGPT that HHH is wrong to reject
DDD because the executed DDD does halt.
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It will explain your mistake in clear simple language.
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*The paper that this refers to*
Simulating Termination Analyzer H is Not Fooled by Pathological Input D
https://www.researchgate.net/ publication/369971402_Simulating_Termination_Analyzer_H_is_Not_Fooled_by_Pathological_Input_D
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Like this
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Note, the conclusion, the answer that HHH gives is based on a theoretical context that (to paraphrase) don't actually exist.
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It admits that DDD does halt, and halt because the HHH that it calls does what it was supposed to do.
The only justification for giving the wrong answer is that it is HHH doesn't need to do what it is defined to do.
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I will ask you, is this the sort of world that you ACTUALLY WANT?
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You have taught Chat GPT that it is ok to lie if you can justify it.
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 https://chatgpt.com/share/6709e046-4794-8011-98b7-27066fb49f3e
Try to tell ChatGPT that. You don't even have to login.
Click on the link. I tried this from my cell phone.
 The only input that it has is what you can see that
I gave it. ChatGPT can explain your mistakes much
more clearly than I can.
 

I guess you can't read, as that is exactly what I did, and then listed a summary of what it replied.
Chat GPT, because you lied to it about what a Halt Decider must do, goes to great effort (like you did) to justify why the nature of reality isn't important.
Part of the problem is you never told it that the HHH that DDD calls is, and must be, the exact same code as is deciding on it, and thus must behave the same way, and DDD can rely on that fact.
Your failure to understand, and teach this, (and in fact LIE about it) is what makes Chat GPT lie about what is the correct answer.
Note, in the section headed "Why DDD() is Considered Non-Halting" Chat GPT, points out that its answer is just "theoretical" (as a way to distance itself from the problems of reality).
This error is repeated in the section labeled "The Misunderstanding" as it says that if DDD() was left unchecked, it would be non-terminating, while that is NOT the behavior of DDD unchecked, because the HHH that it calls must do exactly what the HHH that was asked does.
Thus, all you have done is proven that if your answer might be correct in some impossible universe where deterministic program code doesn't deterministically do what it is programed to do.
THAT seems to be the world you live in, the world where you get to assume the impossible happens, and which just totally blows your arguement to smithereens by all the contradictions it makes.
My guess is you are going to spend all of eternity trying to put all those pieces together again to try to find what is actual true, because you chose not to accept it today.