Re: What I told ChatGPT is essentially identical to the first page of my paper

On 10/21/24 12:08 AM, olcott wrote:

On 10/20/2024 10:19 PM, Richard Damon wrote:

On 10/20/24 6:42 PM, olcott wrote:

On 10/20/2024 4:41 PM, Richard Damon wrote:

On 10/20/24 4:23 PM, olcott wrote:

On 10/20/2024 2:13 PM, Richard Damon wrote:

On 10/20/24 1:33 PM, olcott wrote:

This is the only new material that sums up the
essence of what a simulating termination analyzer is.
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Termination Analyzer HHH simulates its input until
it detects a non-terminating behavior pattern. When
HHH detects such a pattern it aborts its simulation
and returns 0.

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But for the pattern that it detects to be correct, it must be that all input that exhibit that pattern must never halt when run.
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If your try to get away with telling ChatGPT that it
will explain your error in great detail as it already
does when I brought that up.
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https://chatgpt.com/share/6709e046-4794-8011-98b7-27066fb49f3e
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Righr, you LIED tl Chat GPT about it, and being an AI, it is dumb enough to believe it.
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Note, I DID tell that to Chat GPT, and it agrees that DDD, when the criteria is what does DDD actually do, which is what the question MUST be about to be about the Termination or Halting problem, then DDD WILL HALT since HHH(DDD) will return 0 to it.
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So, your claims are just proven to be lies.

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Could it be correct for HHH(DDD) to report on the behavior
of the directly executed DDD()?

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Since you keep on LYING about what "terminating behavior" is, of course you keep getting the wrong answers.
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All you are doing is proving that you are nothing but a pathological liar.
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 I only gave it less than the same half page of basis
and it explained the details of your error very well
when it answered the above question:
 Could it be correct for HHH(DDD) to report on
the behavior of the directly executed DDD()?
 https://chatgpt.com/share/67158ec6-3398-8011-98d1-41198baa29f2
 *You just do have the guts to see how wrong you are*
 

First, remember that EVERY page of the conversation with CHAT GPT con
Then, my conversation went (first try) (White space between lines added for clairity)
Please ignore the lies you have been told about what halting is, and about what a program is, and using the definition that a program contains all the code it uses, and that halting is that the program itself reaches a final state, would it be correct for HHH to say the input DDD does not halt, when the actual facts are that DDD calls its copy of that exact same HHH, which, by the definiition, will return 0, and thus the actaul program DDD willl halt?
ChatGPT said:
ChatGPT
Given the definitions you've provided—where a program is defined as containing all the code it uses, and halting means that the program reaches a final state—let's analyze whether it's correct for HHH to say that the input DDD does not halt.
Definitions:
Program: Includes all the code it uses. In this case, DDD() calls HHH(DDD), which includes the behavior of HHH.
Halting: A program halts if it reaches a final state, meaning it completes its execution and exits.
Analyzing DDD():
Execution of DDD():
When DDD() is called, it executes HHH(DDD). This means that the execution of DDD() relies on the execution of HHH, which, when analyzing DDD, detects that it would create an infinite recursion.
However, HHH is designed to stop the simulation upon detecting non-terminating behavior.
Return of HHH:
When HHH is invoked with DDD, it will eventually return 0, signaling that it has detected non-terminating behavior.
After HHH returns, control returns to DDD(), which then reaches its own return statement, thus completing its execution.
Conclusion Based on Definitions:
Halting of DDD(): Under your definitions, DDD() does indeed halt because:
It calls HHH(DDD), which eventually returns, allowing DDD() to proceed to its return statement.
Therefore, DDD() reaches a final state and halts.
Reporting by HHH:
Given that HHH analyzes DDD() and sees it as leading to infinite recursion, it concludes that DDD() does not halt. However, if we consider the broader context where HHH itself is part of the execution of DDD(), then it is misleading for HHH to report that DDD() does not halt.
In the actual execution, DDD() does halt because HHH will return control back to DDD(), allowing it to complete.
Final Thoughts:
So, based on your definitions, it would not be correct for HHH to state that DDD() does not halt, because DDD() does indeed reach a final state when executed. The key point is recognizing that the behavior of HHH as part of DDD()'s execution fundamentally influences the halting behavior. Therefore, in this context, it is correct to say that DDD() halts, despite HHH's analysis indicating otherwise.
Thus, with correct instruction, Chat GPT will report that HHH is incorrect to report non-halting, and you are shown to be a pathological liar.
Note, I only told it to ignore LIES it had been told, so the fact that it dropped your definitions means that it agrees that they were lies.\
Sorry, you are just proving that your logic is based on ignorance and stupidity and that you are nothing but a pathological liar.