Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---

On 11/2/24 6:21 AM, Andy Walker wrote:

On 02/11/2024 08:43, Mikko wrote:

A false assertion is a lie even if nobody asserts it.

[PO:]

Not at all. The base meaning of {lie} requires intentional
deception.

That may be its base meaning but the full meaning includes
all false statements. The statement itself does not change
when someone states it so there is no clear advantage in
saying that the statement was not a lie until someone stated
it.

      Disagree.  There is a clear advantage in distinguishing those
who make [honest] mistakes from those who wilfully mislead.  We all
make mistakes;  that, of itself, does not make us all liars.  Not only
is there the matter of intent, there is also a need for context.  Many
claims [esp, but not only, in science] veer from truth to falsity to
truth again, depending on the then-current state of knowledge, or even
the then-current state of public opinion.  It would be daft if we all
had to qualify /everything/ we said by "I believe ..." to make it true
even if what I believe turns out to be false.
 

But apparently not so much as to create a new word that means just that.
Note, in Science, it is ESPECIALLY important to distinguish what is know to be factual and what is just supposition and assumption.