Philosophy of Computation: Three seem to agree how emulating termination analyzers are supposed to work

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Sujet : Philosophy of Computation: Three seem to agree how emulating termination analyzers are supposed to work
De : polcott333 (at) *nospam* gmail.com (olcott)
Groupes : comp.theory
Date : 10. Nov 2024, 20:28:28
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<MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022>
If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its input D
until H correctly determines that its simulated D would never
stop running unless aborted then
H can abort its simulation of D and correctly report that D
specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations.
</MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022>
Correct simulation is defined as D is emulated by H according to
the semantics of the x86 language thus includes H emulating itself
emulating D.
I made D simpler so that the key essence of recursive simulation
could be analyzed separately. ChatGPT totally understood this.
void DDD()
{
HHH(DDD);
return;
}
ChatGPT
Simplified Analogy:
Think of HHH as a "watchdog" that steps in during real execution
to stop DDD() from running forever. But when HHH simulates DDD(),
it's analyzing an "idealized" version of DDD() where nothing stops the
recursion. In the simulation, DDD() is seen as endlessly recursive, so
HHH concludes that it would not halt without external intervention.
https://chatgpt.com/share/67158ec6-3398-8011-98d1-41198baa29f2
This link is live so you can try to convince ChatGPT that its wrong.
On 11/3/2024 12:20 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
 > On 11/3/24 9:39 AM, olcott wrote:
 >>
 >> The finite string input to HHH specifies that HHH
 >> MUST EMULATE ITSELF emulating DDD.
 >
 > Right, and it must CORRECTLY determine what an unbounded
 > emulation of that input would do, even if its own programming
 > only lets it emulate a part of that.
 >
*Breaking that down into its key element*
 > [This bounded HHH] must CORRECTLY determine what
 > an unbounded emulation of that input would do...
When that input is unbounded that means it is never
aborted at any level, otherwise it is bounded at some
level thus not unbounded.
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Date Sujet#  Auteur
10 Nov 24 * Philosophy of Computation: Three seem to agree how emulating termination analyzers are supposed to work27olcott
10 Nov 24 +* Re: Philosophy of Computation: Three seem to agree how emulating termination analyzers are supposed to work14Richard Damon
10 Nov 24 i`* Re: Philosophy of Computation: Three seem to agree how emulating termination analyzers are supposed to work13olcott
11 Nov 24 i +* Re: Philosophy of Computation: Three seem to agree how emulating termination analyzers are supposed to work11joes
11 Nov 24 i i`* Re: Philosophy of Computation: Three seem to agree how emulating termination analyzers are supposed to work10olcott
11 Nov 24 i i `* Re: Philosophy of Computation: Three seem to agree how emulating termination analyzers are supposed to work9Richard Damon
11 Nov 24 i i  `* Re: Philosophy of Computation: Three seem to agree how emulating termination analyzers are supposed to work8olcott
11 Nov 24 i i   `* Re: Philosophy of Computation: Three seem to agree how emulating termination analyzers are supposed to work7Richard Damon
11 Nov 24 i i    `* Re: Philosophy of Computation: Three seem to agree how emulating termination analyzers are supposed to work6olcott
11 Nov 24 i i     `* Re: Philosophy of Computation: Three seem to agree how emulating termination analyzers are supposed to work5Richard Damon
11 Nov 24 i i      `* Re: Philosophy of Computation: Three seem to agree how emulating termination analyzers are supposed to work4olcott
11 Nov 24 i i       `* Re: Philosophy of Computation: Three seem to agree how emulating termination analyzers are supposed to work3Richard Damon
11 Nov 24 i i        `* Re: Philosophy of Computation: Three seem to agree how emulating termination analyzers are supposed to work2olcott
11 Nov 24 i i         `- Re: Philosophy of Computation: Three seem to agree how emulating termination analyzers are supposed to work1Richard Damon
11 Nov 24 i `- Re: Philosophy of Computation: Three seem to agree how emulating termination analyzers are supposed to work1Richard Damon
11 Nov 24 +* Re: Philosophy of Computation: Three seem to agree how emulating termination analyzers are supposed to work4Mikko
11 Nov 24 i`* Re: Philosophy of Computation: Three seem to agree how emulating termination analyzers are supposed to work3olcott
11 Nov 24 i +- Re: Philosophy of Computation: Three seem to agree how emulating termination analyzers are supposed to work1Richard Damon
12 Nov 24 i `- Re: Philosophy of Computation: Three seem to agree how emulating termination analyzers are supposed to work1Mikko
11 Nov 24 `* Re: Philosophy of Computation: Three seem to agree how emulating termination analyzers are supposed to work8Mikko
11 Nov 24  +* Re: Philosophy of Computation: Three seem to agree how emulating termination analyzers are supposed to work4wij
11 Nov 24  i`* Re: Philosophy of Computation: Three seem to agree how emulating termination analyzers are supposed to work3wij
11 Nov 24  i +- Re: Philosophy of Computation: Three seem to agree how emulating termination analyzers are supposed to work1wij
12 Nov 24  i `- Re: Philosophy of Computation: Three seem to agree how emulating termination analyzers are supposed to work1Mikko
11 Nov 24  `* Re: Philosophy of Computation: Three seem to agree how emulating termination analyzers are supposed to work3olcott
11 Nov 24   +- Re: Philosophy of Computation: Three seem to agree how emulating termination analyzers are supposed to work1Richard Damon
12 Nov 24   `- Re: Philosophy of Computation: Three seem to agree how emulating termination analyzers are supposed to work1Mikko

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