Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---x86 code is a liar?

On 11/12/24 8:58 AM, olcott wrote:

On 11/12/2024 1:12 AM, joes wrote:

Am Mon, 11 Nov 2024 10:35:57 -0600 schrieb olcott:

On 11/11/2024 10:25 AM, joes wrote:

Am Mon, 11 Nov 2024 08:58:02 -0600 schrieb olcott:

On 11/11/2024 4:54 AM, Mikko wrote:

On 2024-11-09 14:36:07 +0000, olcott said:

On 11/9/2024 7:53 AM, Mikko wrote:

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The actual computation itself does involve HHH emulating itself
emulating DDD. To simply pretend that this does not occur seems
dishonest.

Which is what you are doing: you pretend that DDD calls some other HHH
that doesn’t abort.

DDD emulated by HHH does not reach its "return" instruction final halt
state whether HHH aborts its emulation or not.

When DDD calls a simulator that aborts, that simulator returns to DDD,
which then halts.
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 It is not the same DDD as the DDD under test.
When Bill's identical twin brother Fred is caught robbing
the liquor store that is not proof that Bill did it.
 

But the DDD that calls the HHH that aborts *IS* the DDD under test.
YOU are the one confusing it with something it isn't by trying to "idealize" the HHH is calls, instead of using the ACTUAL HHH that it calls.