Re: Anyone with sufficient knowledge of C knows that DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH

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Sujet : Re: Anyone with sufficient knowledge of C knows that DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH
De : mikko.levanto (at) *nospam* iki.fi (Mikko)
Groupes : comp.theory
Date : 10. Feb 2025, 09:35:21
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On 2025-02-09 15:24:53 +0000, olcott said:

On 2/9/2025 4:08 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 2025-02-08 14:55:09 +0000, olcott said:
 
On 2/8/2025 4:25 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 2025-02-07 23:13:04 +0000, olcott said:
 
Experts in the C programming language will know that DD
correctly simulated by HHH cannot possibly reach its own
"if" statement.
 Wrong, they understand that nothing below exludes the possibility that
HHH is a program that can correctly simulate DD to its "if" statement.
 Show the execution trace of that.
 Your request does not make sense. Non-existence of a exclusion does not
have an execution trace.
 
The code of HHH might exlude that but that is not sohwn below.
 
The finite string DD specifies non-terminating recursive
simulation to simulating termination analyzer HHH.
 No, it does not. DD as quoted below pecifies nothing about the behaviour
of HHH, only its argument types and return type.
 
  >>    int Halt_Status = HHH(DD); // line 3 of DD
Requires HHH to simulate itself simulating DD recursively.
 No, it does not. I only requires that the execution of HHH with a function
pointer to DD must be started. OP does not show what happens next.
 Within the context that HHH <is> a simulating termination
analyzer line 3 of DD proves that DD cannot possibly reach
its own "if" statement.
That is not the context of OP.
--
Mikko

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8 Feb 25 * Anyone with sufficient knowledge of C knows that DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH485olcott
8 Feb 25 +- Re: Anyone with sufficient knowledge of C knows that DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH1Richard Damon
8 Feb 25 +- Re: Anyone with sufficient knowledge of C knows that DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH1Richard Damon
8 Feb 25 +* Re: Anyone with sufficient knowledge of C knows that DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH44Fred. Zwarts
8 Feb 25 i`* Re: Anyone with sufficient knowledge of C knows that DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH43olcott
8 Feb 25 i +* Re: Anyone with sufficient knowledge of C knows that DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH34Fred. Zwarts
9 Feb 25 i i`* Re: Anyone with sufficient knowledge of C knows that DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH33olcott
9 Feb 25 i i +* Re: Anyone with sufficient knowledge of C knows that DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH29Fred. Zwarts
9 Feb 25 i i i`* Re: Anyone with sufficient knowledge of C knows that DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH28olcott
9 Feb 25 i i i +* Re: Anyone with sufficient knowledge of C knows that DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH26Fred. Zwarts
9 Feb 25 i i i i`* Re: Anyone with sufficient knowledge of C knows that DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH25olcott
9 Feb 25 i i i i +* Re: Anyone with sufficient knowledge of C knows that DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH23Fred. Zwarts
9 Feb 25 i i i i i`* Re: Anyone with sufficient knowledge of C knows that DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH22olcott
9 Feb 25 i i i i i +- Re: Anyone with sufficient knowledge of C knows that DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH1Richard Damon
9 Feb 25 i i i i i +* Re: Anyone with sufficient knowledge of C knows that DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH11Fred. Zwarts
9 Feb 25 i i i i i i`* Re: Anyone with sufficient knowledge of C knows that DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH10olcott
9 Feb 25 i i i i i i +* Re: Anyone with sufficient knowledge of C knows that DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH5Fred. Zwarts
9 Feb 25 i i i i i i i`* Re: Anyone with sufficient knowledge of C knows that DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH4olcott
9 Feb 25 i i i i i i i +- Re: Anyone with sufficient knowledge of C knows that DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH1Richard Damon
10 Feb 25 i i i i i i i +- Re: Anyone with sufficient knowledge of C knows that DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH1Fred. Zwarts
10 Feb 25 i i i i i i i `- Re: Anyone with sufficient knowledge of C knows that DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH1joes
9 Feb 25 i i i i i i `* Re: Anyone with sufficient knowledge of C knows that DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH4joes
9 Feb 25 i i i i i i  `* Re: Anyone with sufficient knowledge of C knows that DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH3olcott
10 Feb 25 i i i i i i   +- Re: Anyone with sufficient knowledge of C knows that DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH1Richard Damon
10 Feb 25 i i i i i i   `- Re: Anyone with sufficient knowledge of C knows that DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH1joes
9 Feb 25 i i i i i `* Re: Anyone with sufficient knowledge of C knows that DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH9joes
9 Feb 25 i i i i i  `* Re: Anyone with sufficient knowledge of C knows that DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH8olcott
10 Feb 25 i i i i i   +* Re: Anyone with sufficient knowledge of C knows that DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH3Richard Damon
10 Feb 25 i i i i i   i`* Re: Anyone with sufficient knowledge of C knows that DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH2olcott
10 Feb 25 i i i i i   i `- Re: Anyone with sufficient knowledge of C knows that DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH1Richard Damon
10 Feb 25 i i i i i   `* Re: Anyone with sufficient knowledge of C knows that DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH4joes
10 Feb 25 i i i i i    `* Re: Anyone with sufficient knowledge of C knows that DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH3olcott
10 Feb 25 i i i i i     +- Re: Anyone with sufficient knowledge of C knows that DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH1Richard Damon
10 Feb 25 i i i i i     `- Re: Anyone with sufficient knowledge of C knows that DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH1joes
9 Feb 25 i i i i `- Re: Anyone with sufficient knowledge of C knows that DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH1joes
9 Feb 25 i i i `- Re: Anyone with sufficient knowledge of C knows that DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH1Richard Damon
9 Feb 25 i i `* Re: Anyone with sufficient knowledge of C knows that DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH3Richard Damon
9 Feb 25 i i  `* Re: Anyone with sufficient knowledge of C knows that DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH2olcott
9 Feb 25 i i   `- Re: Anyone with sufficient knowledge of C knows that DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH1Richard Damon
8 Feb 25 i +- Re: Anyone with sufficient knowledge of C knows that DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH1Richard Damon
9 Feb 25 i `* Re: Anyone with sufficient knowledge of C knows that DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH7Mikko
9 Feb 25 i  `* Re: Anyone with sufficient knowledge of C knows that DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH6olcott
9 Feb 25 i   +- Re: Anyone with sufficient knowledge of C knows that DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH1Richard Damon
10 Feb 25 i   `* Re: Anyone with sufficient knowledge of C knows that DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH4Mikko
10 Feb 25 i    `* Re: Anyone with sufficient knowledge of C knows that DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH3olcott
10 Feb 25 i     +- Re: Anyone with sufficient knowledge of C knows that DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH1Richard Damon
11 Feb 25 i     `- Re: Anyone with sufficient knowledge of C knows that DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH1Mikko
8 Feb 25 `* Re: Anyone with sufficient knowledge of C knows that DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH438Mikko
8 Feb 25  `* Re: Anyone with sufficient knowledge of C knows that DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH437olcott
8 Feb 25   +- Re: Anyone with sufficient knowledge of C knows that DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH1Richard Damon
9 Feb 25   `* Re: Anyone with sufficient knowledge of C knows that DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH435Mikko
9 Feb 25    `* Re: Anyone with sufficient knowledge of C knows that DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH434olcott
9 Feb 25     +* Re: Anyone with sufficient knowledge of C knows that DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH2joes
9 Feb 25     i`- Re: Anyone with sufficient knowledge of C knows that DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH1olcott
9 Feb 25     +- Re: Anyone with sufficient knowledge of C knows that DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH1Richard Damon
10 Feb 25     `* Re: Anyone with sufficient knowledge of C knows that DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH430Mikko
10 Feb 25      `* Re: Anyone with sufficient knowledge of C knows that DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH429olcott
10 Feb 25       +- Re: Anyone with sufficient knowledge of C knows that DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH1Richard Damon
11 Feb 25       `* Re: Anyone with sufficient knowledge of C knows that DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH427Mikko
11 Feb 25        `* Re: Anyone with sufficient knowledge of C knows that DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH426olcott
12 Feb 25         +- Re: Anyone with sufficient knowledge of C knows that DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH1Richard Damon
12 Feb 25         `* Re: Anyone with sufficient knowledge of C knows that DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH424Mikko
13 Feb 25          `* Re: Anyone with sufficient knowledge of C knows that DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH423olcott
13 Feb 25           +* Re: Anyone with sufficient knowledge of C knows that DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH421Mikko
14 Feb 25           i`* Re: Anyone with sufficient knowledge of C knows that DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH420olcott
14 Feb 25           i +* Re: Anyone with sufficient knowledge of C knows that DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH137Richard Damon
14 Feb 25           i i`* Re: Anyone with sufficient knowledge of C knows that DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH136olcott
14 Feb 25           i i +* Re: Anyone with sufficient knowledge of C knows that DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH131joes
15 Feb 25           i i i`* Re: Anyone with sufficient knowledge of C knows that DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH130olcott
15 Feb 25           i i i +- Re: Anyone with sufficient knowledge of C knows that DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH1Richard Damon
15 Feb 25           i i i `* Re: Anyone with sufficient knowledge of C knows that DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH128joes
16 Feb 25           i i i  `* DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH --- RECURSIVE CHAIN127olcott
16 Feb 25           i i i   +- Re: DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH --- RECURSIVE CHAIN1Richard Damon
16 Feb 25           i i i   +- Re: DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH --- RECURSIVE CHAIN1Richard Damon
16 Feb 25           i i i   `* Re: DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH --- RECURSIVE CHAIN124joes
16 Feb 25           i i i    +* Re: DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH --- RECURSIVE CHAIN3olcott
16 Feb 25           i i i    i+- Re: DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH --- RECURSIVE CHAIN1Richard Damon
16 Feb 25           i i i    i`- Re: DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH --- RECURSIVE CHAIN1Fred. Zwarts
20 Feb 25           i i i    `* Re: DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH --- RECURSIVE CHAIN120olcott
20 Feb 25           i i i     +* Re: DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH --- RECURSIVE CHAIN31Mikko
20 Feb 25           i i i     i`* Re: DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH --- RECURSIVE CHAIN30olcott
21 Feb 25           i i i     i +- Re: DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH --- RECURSIVE CHAIN1Richard Damon
21 Feb 25           i i i     i `* Re: DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH --- RECURSIVE CHAIN28Mikko
21 Feb 25           i i i     i  `* Re: DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH --- RECURSIVE CHAIN27olcott
22 Feb 25           i i i     i   +- Re: DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH --- RECURSIVE CHAIN1Richard Damon
22 Feb 25           i i i     i   `* Re: DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH --- RECURSIVE CHAIN25Mikko
22 Feb 25           i i i     i    `* Re: DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH --- RECURSIVE CHAIN24olcott
22 Feb 25           i i i     i     +* Re: DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH --- RECURSIVE CHAIN3joes
22 Feb 25           i i i     i     i`* Re: DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH --- RECURSIVE CHAIN2olcott
23 Feb 25           i i i     i     i `- Re: DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH --- RECURSIVE CHAIN1Richard Damon
23 Feb 25           i i i     i     +- Re: DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH --- RECURSIVE CHAIN1Richard Damon
23 Feb 25           i i i     i     `* Re: DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH --- RECURSIVE CHAIN19Mikko
23 Feb 25           i i i     i      `* Re: DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH --- RECURSIVE CHAIN18olcott
24 Feb 25           i i i     i       +- Re: DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH --- RECURSIVE CHAIN1Richard Damon
24 Feb 25           i i i     i       `* Re: DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH --- RECURSIVE CHAIN16Mikko
25 Feb 25           i i i     i        `* Re: DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH --- RECURSIVE CHAIN15olcott
25 Feb 25           i i i     i         +- Re: DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH --- RECURSIVE CHAIN1Richard Damon
25 Feb 25           i i i     i         +- Re: DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH --- RECURSIVE CHAIN1dbush
25 Feb 25           i i i     i         +* Re: DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH --- RECURSIVE CHAIN3joes
25 Feb 25           i i i     i         i`* Re: DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH --- RECURSIVE CHAIN2olcott
25 Feb 25           i i i     i         i `- Re: DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH --- RECURSIVE CHAIN1joes
25 Feb 25           i i i     i         +- Re: DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH --- RECURSIVE CHAIN1Fred. Zwarts
25 Feb 25           i i i     i         `* Re: DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH --- RECURSIVE CHAIN8Mikko
20 Feb 25           i i i     +* Re: DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH --- RECURSIVE CHAIN87joes
20 Feb 25           i i i     `- Re: DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH --- RECURSIVE CHAIN1Richard Damon
14 Feb 25           i i `* Re: Anyone with sufficient knowledge of C knows that DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH4Richard Damon
14 Feb 25           i `* Re: Anyone with sufficient knowledge of C knows that DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH282Mikko
13 Feb 25           `- Re: Anyone with sufficient knowledge of C knows that DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH1Richard Damon

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