Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code

On 3/1/2025 7:39 PM, dbush wrote:

On 3/1/2025 8:09 PM, olcott wrote:

On 3/1/2025 6:24 PM, dbush wrote:

On 3/1/2025 7:01 PM, olcott wrote:

On 3/1/2025 5:52 PM, dbush wrote:

On 3/1/2025 6:47 PM, olcott wrote:

On 3/1/2025 2:22 AM, Mikko wrote:

On 2025-03-01 00:47:58 +0000, olcott said:
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_DD()
[00002133] 55         push ebp      ; housekeeping
[00002134] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   ; housekeeping
[00002136] 51         push ecx      ; make space for local
[00002137] 6833210000 push 00002133 ; push DD
[0000213c] e882f4ffff call 000015c3 ; call HHH(DD)
[00002141] 83c404     add esp,+04
[00002144] 8945fc     mov [ebp-04],eax
[00002147] 837dfc00   cmp dword [ebp-04],+00
[0000214b] 7402       jz 0000214f
[0000214d] ebfe       jmp 0000214d
[0000214f] 8b45fc     mov eax,[ebp-04]
[00002152] 8be5       mov esp,ebp
[00002154] 5d         pop ebp
[00002155] c3         ret
Size in bytes:(0035) [00002155]
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When we hypothesize that the code at machine address
0000213c is an x86 emulator then we know that DD
remains stuck in recursive emulation and cannot possibly
reach its own "ret" instruction and terminate normally.

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The emulator itself is stuck and cannot return normally but it doesn't
know it cannot return normally. At some point it runs out of memory
and terminates normally or abnormally.
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Yes you are correct about this sub-step of two steps.
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When we add the additional complexity that HHH also
aborts this sequence at some point then every level
of recursive emulation immediately stops. This does
not enable any DD to ever reach its "ret" instruction.

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When we add an additional complexity we must note that there are other
additional complexities that could be added instead.
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Sure we could carefully examine every detail about the price
of tea in China.
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When we are answering the question that seems impossible for
anyone here to pay attention to even when repeated hundreds of times:
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Can the above DD correctly emulated by HHH possibly
reach its own "ret" instruction and terminate normally?
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The answer is dead obviously "no" for everyone that is:
(a) Technically competent
   and
(b) Not deliberately deceptive.

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And by the same logic, no_numbers_greater_than_10 correctly emulated by F cannot reach its own "ret" instruction, leading to the conclusion that there are no natural numbers greater than 10, and you are on record as admitting this is correct.
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By this exact same reasoning the following function
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void dbush_is-a-stupid_fool()
{
   return;
}
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Proves that dbush is a stupid fool.
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I'll let you respond to yourself:
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On 7/22/2024 10:51 AM, olcott wrote:
 > *Ad Hominem attacks are the first resort of clueless wonders*
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It was not an ad hominem attack because I know that you
are neither stupid nor a fool. Yet your reasoning was
both stupid and foolish.

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Yet you failed to explain why it was wrong, thereby admitting it was correct.
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 OK asshole if you only want to play head games I am done with you