Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code

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Sujet : Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code
De : polcott333 (at) *nospam* gmail.com (olcott)
Groupes : comp.theory
Date : 02. Mar 2025, 05:41:10
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On 3/1/2025 7:14 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
On 3/1/25 6:58 PM, olcott wrote:
On 3/1/2025 3:58 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
On 3/1/25 2:01 PM, olcott wrote:
On 3/1/2025 10:05 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
On 3/1/25 9:41 AM, olcott wrote:
On 3/1/2025 6:49 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
On 2/28/25 7:47 PM, olcott wrote:
_DD()
[00002133] 55         push ebp      ; housekeeping
[00002134] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   ; housekeeping
[00002136] 51         push ecx      ; make space for local
[00002137] 6833210000 push 00002133 ; push DD
[0000213c] e882f4ffff call 000015c3 ; call HHH(DD)
[00002141] 83c404     add esp,+04
[00002144] 8945fc     mov [ebp-04],eax
[00002147] 837dfc00   cmp dword [ebp-04],+00
[0000214b] 7402       jz 0000214f
[0000214d] ebfe       jmp 0000214d
[0000214f] 8b45fc     mov eax,[ebp-04]
[00002152] 8be5       mov esp,ebp
[00002154] 5d         pop ebp
[00002155] c3         ret
Size in bytes:(0035) [00002155]
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When we hypothesize that the code at machine address
0000213c is an x86 emulator then we know that DD
remains stuck in recursive emulation and cannot possibly
reach its own "ret" instruction and terminate normally.
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When we add the additional complexity that HHH also
aborts this sequence at some point then every level
of recursive emulation immediately stops. This does
not enable any DD to ever reach its "ret" instruction.
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But then you just negated your first assumption, as a partial emulator that aborts its emulation, then DD no longer gets stuck.
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Cannot possibly reach its own "ret" instruction and terminate normally
proves non-termination whether aborted or not.
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Cannot possibly reach its own "ret" instruction and terminate normally
proves non-termination whether aborted or not.
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Cannot possibly reach its own "ret" instruction and terminate normally
proves non-termination whether aborted or not.
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But it DOES terminate
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DD emulated by HHH never terminates no matter how many
times you try to get away with the straw-man deception
of referring to anything at all besides
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DD EMULATED BY HHH
DD EMULATED BY HHH
DD EMULATED BY HHH
DD EMULATED BY HHH
DD EMULATED BY HHH
DD EMULATED BY HHH
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Which since HHH doesn't correctly emulate DD is just a fantasy.
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If it was actually incorrect then someone could show
how the above code is correctly emulated by HHH.
 How? if HHH doesn't correctly do the emulation, then it doesn't do a correct emulation, and changing it to do so isn't valid.
 
If you cannot provide an actual correct emulation
that differs from the one that I provided then
you have no basis what-so-ever to say that mine incorrect.
IF I AM WRONG THEN SHOW WHAT IS RIGHT
IF YOU CANNOT SHOW WHAT IS RIGHT THEN YOU ARE CLUELESS
--
Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

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1 Mar 25 * DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code96olcott
1 Mar 25 +* Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code8dbush
1 Mar 25 i`* Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code7olcott
1 Mar 25 i +- Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code1wij
1 Mar 25 i +* Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code4dbush
1 Mar 25 i i`* Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code3olcott
1 Mar 25 i i +- Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code1dbush
1 Mar 25 i i `- Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code1dbush
1 Mar 25 i `- Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code1dbush
1 Mar 25 +* Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code52Mikko
2 Mar 25 i`* Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code51olcott
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2 Mar 25 i i      `* Re: Copyright33Mikko
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2 Mar 25 i i        i i +- Re: Copyright for "simulating halt decider" by Olcott for many years --- proves itself correct1Richard Damon
3 Mar 25 i i        i i `* Re: Copyright for "simulating halt decider" by Olcott for many years --- proves itself correct8Andy Walker
3 Mar 25 i i        i i  `* Re: Copyright for "simulating halt decider" by Olcott for many years --- proves itself correct7olcott
3 Mar 25 i i        i i   `* Re: Copyright for "simulating halt decider" by Olcott for many years --- proves itself correct6Fred. Zwarts
3 Mar 25 i i        i i    `* Re: Copyright for "simulating halt decider" by Olcott for many years --- proves itself correct5olcott
3 Mar 25 i i        i i     +* Re: Copyright for "simulating halt decider" by Olcott for many years --- proves itself correct2joes
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3 Mar 25 i i        i i     +- Re: Copyright for "simulating halt decider" by Olcott for many years --- proves itself correct1Fred. Zwarts
4 Mar 25 i i        i i     `- Re: Copyright for "simulating halt decider" by Olcott for many years --- proves itself correct1Richard Damon
2 Mar 25 i i        i `- Re: Copyright for "simulating halt decider" by Olcott for many years1Richard Damon
3 Mar 25 i i        +* Re: Copyright for "simulating halt decider" by Olcott for many years14Richard Damon
3 Mar 25 i i        i`* Re: Copyright for "simulating halt decider" by Olcott for many years13olcott
3 Mar 25 i i        i +* Re: Copyright for "simulating halt decider" by Olcott for many years9Richard Damon
3 Mar 25 i i        i i`* Re: Copyright for "simulating halt decider" by Olcott for many years8olcott
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3 Mar 25 i i        i `* Re: Copyright for "simulating halt decider" by Olcott for many years3Fred. Zwarts
3 Mar 25 i i        i  `* Re: Copyright for "simulating halt decider" by Olcott for many years2olcott
4 Mar 25 i i        i   `- Re: Copyright for "simulating halt decider" by Olcott for many years1Richard Damon
3 Mar 25 i i        `* Re: Copyright for "simulating halt decider" by Olcott for many years3Mikko
3 Mar 25 i i         `* Re: Copyright for "simulating halt decider" by Olcott for many years2olcott
4 Mar 25 i i          `- Re: Copyright for "simulating halt decider" by Olcott for many years1Mikko
2 Mar 25 i +* Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code5Richard Damon
2 Mar 25 i i`* Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code4olcott
2 Mar 25 i i +- Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code1joes
2 Mar 25 i i +- Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code1Mikko
2 Mar 25 i i `- Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code1Richard Damon
2 Mar 25 i `* Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code4Mikko
2 Mar 25 i  `* Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code3olcott
2 Mar 25 i   +- Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code1wij
3 Mar 25 i   `- Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code1Richard Damon
1 Mar 25 +- Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code1Fred. Zwarts
1 Mar 25 `* Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code34Richard Damon
1 Mar 25  `* Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code33olcott
1 Mar 25   +* Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code15Fred. Zwarts
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1 Mar 25   i +* Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code12Fred. Zwarts
1 Mar 25   i i`* Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code11olcott
1 Mar 25   i i +* Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code3Fred. Zwarts
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2 Mar 25   i i i `- Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code1joes
1 Mar 25   i i `* Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code7Fred. Zwarts
2 Mar 25   i i  `* Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code6olcott
2 Mar 25   i i   +* Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code3Richard Damon
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2 Mar 25   i i   `- Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code1Fred. Zwarts
1 Mar 25   i `- Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code1Richard Damon
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1 Mar 25    `* Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code16olcott
1 Mar 25     +* Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code8Fred. Zwarts
1 Mar 25     i`* Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code7olcott
1 Mar 25     i +- Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code1Richard Damon
1 Mar 25     i +* Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code4Fred. Zwarts
2 Mar 25     i i`* Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code3olcott
2 Mar 25     i i +- Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code1Richard Damon
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2 Mar 25     i `- Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code1joes
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2 Mar 25       i `- Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code1Richard Damon
2 Mar 25       +- Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code1joes
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