Re: Copyright for "simulating halt decider" by Olcott for many years --- proves itself correct

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Sujet : Re: Copyright for "simulating halt decider" by Olcott for many years --- proves itself correct
De : polcott333 (at) *nospam* gmail.com (olcott)
Groupes : comp.theory
Date : 03. Mar 2025, 15:27:16
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On 3/3/2025 2:55 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
Op 03.mrt.2025 om 01:57 schreef olcott:
On 3/2/2025 6:19 PM, Andy Walker wrote:
On 02/03/2025 21:11, olcott wrote:
On 3/2/2025 2:40 PM, Andy Walker wrote:
   http://www.cuboid.me.uk/anw/G12FCO/lect18.html
[start at the third paragraph], [...]
[the third paragraph]
>
     [Note that I said "start at ...", not "look only at ...".]
>
_DD()
[00002133] 55         push ebp      ; housekeeping
[...]
>
     Not interested;  sorry.  I was concerned only to point out that
the idea of a "simulating halt decider", or any similar phrase, was not
new in 2004, but has been well-known for many [at least 60] years.  If
you choose to waste your remaining time on this planet trying to do the
impossible, go ahead.  I shan't be joining you, so this will be my last
contribution to the debate unless something interesting crops up.  "DD"
and "HHH" and similar aren't in the least bit interesting to me;  I'm
astonished that others are so fascinated, but that's up to them.
>
>
Lots of people rejected the idea of simulation as an
option so you made no actually relevant point at all.
>
int DD()
{
   int Halt_Status = HHH(DD);
   if (Halt_Status)
     HERE: goto HERE;
   return Halt_Status;
}
>
The new thing that I discovered is that DD emulated
by HHH cannot possibly reach the self-contradictory
portion thus cannot possibly thwart a correct termination
status decision.
 And Olcott thought it was a clever idea to use a simulator that gets stuck in recursively simulating itself, so that it could not even reach the self-contradictory part.
HHH has no idea that it is emulating itself emulating DD.
HHH  does see that its emulation of DD does match the
infinite recursion behavior pattern.

Olcott did (does) not realise that such an HHH can only report about its own behaviour, not that of its input.
HHH sees DD call the same function with the same params
twice in sequence and HHH also sees that there are no
conditional branch instructions between the invocation
of DD and its call to HHH(DD).
This is all right in the code.
https://github.com/plolcott/x86utm/blob/master/Halt7.c
u32 Needs_To_Be_Aborted_Trace_HH(Decoded_Line_Of_Code*
                                  execution_trace,
                                  Decoded_Line_Of_Code
                                  *current)
--
Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

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1 Mar 25 * DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code96olcott
1 Mar 25 +* Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code8dbush
1 Mar 25 i`* Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code7olcott
1 Mar 25 i +- Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code1wij
1 Mar 25 i +* Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code4dbush
1 Mar 25 i i`* Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code3olcott
1 Mar 25 i i +- Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code1dbush
1 Mar 25 i i `- Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code1dbush
1 Mar 25 i `- Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code1dbush
1 Mar 25 +* Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code52Mikko
2 Mar 25 i`* Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code51olcott
2 Mar 25 i +* Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code41dbush
2 Mar 25 i i`* Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code40olcott
2 Mar 25 i i `* Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code39dbush
2 Mar 25 i i  `* Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code38olcott
2 Mar 25 i i   `* Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code37dbush
2 Mar 25 i i    `* Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code36olcott
2 Mar 25 i i     +- Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code1dbush
2 Mar 25 i i     `* Copyright34joes
2 Mar 25 i i      `* Re: Copyright33Mikko
2 Mar 25 i i       `* Copyright for "simulating halt decider" by Olcott for many years32olcott
2 Mar 25 i i        +* Re: Copyright for "simulating halt decider" by Olcott for many years14Richard Heathfield
2 Mar 25 i i        i`* Re: Copyright for "simulating halt decider" by Olcott for many years13olcott
2 Mar 25 i i        i +* Re: Copyright for "simulating halt decider" by Olcott for many years11Andy Walker
2 Mar 25 i i        i i`* Re: Copyright for "simulating halt decider" by Olcott for many years --- proves itself correct10olcott
2 Mar 25 i i        i i +- Re: Copyright for "simulating halt decider" by Olcott for many years --- proves itself correct1Richard Damon
3 Mar 25 i i        i i `* Re: Copyright for "simulating halt decider" by Olcott for many years --- proves itself correct8Andy Walker
3 Mar 25 i i        i i  `* Re: Copyright for "simulating halt decider" by Olcott for many years --- proves itself correct7olcott
3 Mar 25 i i        i i   `* Re: Copyright for "simulating halt decider" by Olcott for many years --- proves itself correct6Fred. Zwarts
3 Mar 25 i i        i i    `* Re: Copyright for "simulating halt decider" by Olcott for many years --- proves itself correct5olcott
3 Mar 25 i i        i i     +* Re: Copyright for "simulating halt decider" by Olcott for many years --- proves itself correct2joes
3 Mar 25 i i        i i     i`- Re: Copyright for "simulating halt decider" by Olcott for many years --- proves itself correct1olcott
3 Mar 25 i i        i i     +- Re: Copyright for "simulating halt decider" by Olcott for many years --- proves itself correct1Fred. Zwarts
4 Mar 25 i i        i i     `- Re: Copyright for "simulating halt decider" by Olcott for many years --- proves itself correct1Richard Damon
2 Mar 25 i i        i `- Re: Copyright for "simulating halt decider" by Olcott for many years1Richard Damon
3 Mar 25 i i        +* Re: Copyright for "simulating halt decider" by Olcott for many years14Richard Damon
3 Mar 25 i i        i`* Re: Copyright for "simulating halt decider" by Olcott for many years13olcott
3 Mar 25 i i        i +* Re: Copyright for "simulating halt decider" by Olcott for many years9Richard Damon
3 Mar 25 i i        i i`* Re: Copyright for "simulating halt decider" by Olcott for many years8olcott
3 Mar 25 i i        i i `* Re: Copyright for "simulating halt decider" by Olcott for many years7Richard Damon
3 Mar 25 i i        i i  +* Far less than no rebuttal at all5olcott
3 Mar 25 i i        i i  i+* Re: Far less than no rebuttal at all3Fred. Zwarts
3 Mar 25 i i        i i  ii`* Re: Far less than no rebuttal at all2olcott
4 Mar 25 i i        i i  ii `- Re: Far less than no rebuttal at all1Fred. Zwarts
4 Mar 25 i i        i i  i`- Re: Far less than no rebuttal at all1Richard Damon
4 Mar 25 i i        i i  `- Re: Copyright for "simulating halt decider" by Olcott for many years1Richard Damon
3 Mar 25 i i        i `* Re: Copyright for "simulating halt decider" by Olcott for many years3Fred. Zwarts
3 Mar 25 i i        i  `* Re: Copyright for "simulating halt decider" by Olcott for many years2olcott
4 Mar 25 i i        i   `- Re: Copyright for "simulating halt decider" by Olcott for many years1Richard Damon
3 Mar 25 i i        `* Re: Copyright for "simulating halt decider" by Olcott for many years3Mikko
3 Mar 25 i i         `* Re: Copyright for "simulating halt decider" by Olcott for many years2olcott
4 Mar 25 i i          `- Re: Copyright for "simulating halt decider" by Olcott for many years1Mikko
2 Mar 25 i +* Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code5Richard Damon
2 Mar 25 i i`* Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code4olcott
2 Mar 25 i i +- Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code1joes
2 Mar 25 i i +- Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code1Mikko
2 Mar 25 i i `- Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code1Richard Damon
2 Mar 25 i `* Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code4Mikko
2 Mar 25 i  `* Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code3olcott
2 Mar 25 i   +- Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code1wij
3 Mar 25 i   `- Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code1Richard Damon
1 Mar 25 +- Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code1Fred. Zwarts
1 Mar 25 `* Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code34Richard Damon
1 Mar 25  `* Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code33olcott
1 Mar 25   +* Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code15Fred. Zwarts
1 Mar 25   i`* Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code14olcott
1 Mar 25   i +* Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code12Fred. Zwarts
1 Mar 25   i i`* Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code11olcott
1 Mar 25   i i +* Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code3Fred. Zwarts
2 Mar 25   i i i`* Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code2olcott
2 Mar 25   i i i `- Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code1joes
1 Mar 25   i i `* Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code7Fred. Zwarts
2 Mar 25   i i  `* Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code6olcott
2 Mar 25   i i   +* Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code3Richard Damon
2 Mar 25   i i   i`* Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code2olcott
2 Mar 25   i i   i `- Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code1Richard Damon
2 Mar 25   i i   +- Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code1joes
2 Mar 25   i i   `- Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code1Fred. Zwarts
1 Mar 25   i `- Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code1Richard Damon
1 Mar 25   `* Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code17Richard Damon
1 Mar 25    `* Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code16olcott
1 Mar 25     +* Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code8Fred. Zwarts
1 Mar 25     i`* Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code7olcott
1 Mar 25     i +- Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code1Richard Damon
1 Mar 25     i +* Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code4Fred. Zwarts
2 Mar 25     i i`* Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code3olcott
2 Mar 25     i i +- Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code1Richard Damon
2 Mar 25     i i `- Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code1joes
2 Mar 25     i `- Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code1joes
1 Mar 25     `* Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code7Richard Damon
2 Mar 25      `* Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code6olcott
2 Mar 25       +* Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code3Richard Damon
2 Mar 25       i`* Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code2olcott
2 Mar 25       i `- Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code1Richard Damon
2 Mar 25       +- Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code1joes
2 Mar 25       `- Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code1Fred. Zwarts

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